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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,194
    I have a v1 that is now 6 years old- loved it new and I have yet to update- works well on the country roads and around town. Anywhere it's unless. Like large states highways. Do love the directional alerts -
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    A reporter is hoping to interview car-shoppers under 34 years old to learn whether they are interested in the new "near-premium" offerings from Acura, Audi, Buick and Lexus. Thanks for responding to PR@edmunds.com by Thursday, March 29, 2012 with your daytime contact info and a sense of whether you think those vehicles are well-suited to you and your peers.

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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,194
    Allow me... Mind you I'm 35 - but in order _ boring, expensive, intriguing, and the new old Buick.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,678
    I have one from about 1992 in my car. still works, and goes off around town. It just sits in my console (behind the waterfall in the Volvo). Still works back there. I think it is a uniden.

    I had a newer Beltronics in the van, until we forgot to lock it one day (9a rare day it sat outside) and someone walked off with it. Did not bother to replace it. Just try not to drive the van too fast!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited March 2012
    "Which radar detector do you guys use?"

    Did you forget what I do for a living? :blush:

    Seriously though, I'm older and wiser nowadays and I respect and abide by almost all traffic laws whenever it's prudent.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    fed....not that I would do this, but I've heard that the new Escorts are some of the best on the market with a way to be updated by the user. Both Valentine and Escort are based in Cincinnati (my home town), so they probably compete harder here than they do anywhere else. Plus, the Escort "falses" a lot less than the Valentine V1, making it very easy to ignore most of its warnings (and makes it seriously annoying).

    Again, not that I know any of this on a personal basis.....just what I've heard. :P
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,678
    my BIL (the one with multiple BMWs, including a new style 550) got one of those interactive Escorts for Christmas. He was anxious waiting for other people in the area to get them (not much market there I don't think) so there would be enough coverage to make the user flagging worth while.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    stick....I wondered that myself. In order for the interactivity of the Escort to be effective, other people on the road would have to have one.

    Nevertheless, there's some history between the Escort and Valentine. Valentine founder (name escapes me....it might be Valentine) originally worked for Escort as an engineer. I guess they rejected one of his designs, and he left to start his own company. Now, this was a lot of years ago. But, they both emerged as the two titans in the industry.

    The downside for Valentine, they only have one product, their detector. Escort has several versions of their detectors, as well as some commercial radar engineering they do for others.

    Two really good products in their field (Escort, Valentine) that duke it out. You use either one the way they tell you to use it, you won't get a ticket (unless you get caught with instant one laser when no one is travelling in front of you). Or, they clock you from the air (which is the only time I've been caught speeding).

    I've used both. Can't go wrong with either. I like the Escort for the size factor and usability the best, however.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    edited March 2012
    NYC I have a brother who is a retired Motor Cop, he was/is an expert in the field of radar and radar detectors. Most Motor Cops (motorcycle) can peg the speed of a car before using a radar. Also they can capture your speed before your radar detector goes off. The only good they are is if you are in a pack of cars and the cop shoots his gun in your direction, then your radar will go off. I don't use one, I just watch my speed (most of the time.)
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    Amazing thing is how quickly they can spot the infraction...

    I was in a ride-along with a relative who's a state trooper and before I was able to look up we were going across the median with the lights on.

    Much more fun chasing than being chased :)
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Yes, I agree, I was amazed how very accurate my brother could peg someone's speed (off my 2 MPH) before using his radar gun...
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,194
    When I'm driving on the LIE - I look for the nearest 328 rolling up behind me- (pretty frequent) then I let them pass - press them a bit as I slide behind, cop will always give the ticket to the BMW over the Nissan 8 days a week- works like clockwork.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Interesting I don't see many 328i on the LIE, however I only drive it from JFK (Via Bell Prkway to LIE) to Holtsville, then on to Medford. Outwest here the police are pulling over 2-3 and at time 4 cars for speeding, since all cities are hurting for money. Now I'm not too sure why anyone want to speed on the LIE it has to be one of the worse freeways with unkept road condition I have seen.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    My best friend's wife is a police woman in one of the burgs near me. I asked her about this topic last night. While she says she's pretty good at guessing the speed of cars by sight, the trick is to have evidence to use in court (which her "guesstimate" of speed is not). So, the radar/laser detector provides that.

    Most modern radar detectors will "sniff out" a radar source in over a mile, which can't be seen by the radar operator. Laser is "instant on" (as is some radar devices). The officer has to be relatively close to the vehicle to get their reading (100 yards or so).

    She said if there's heavy traffic, you won't know if the officer is "pinging" you or someone else. But, your laser detector will go off and on in short bursts, full laser detection to none in quick succession (telling you that the officer is taking a speed reading of several cars.

    She also said that she has to get a lock on your vehicle, of a reflective surface (usually the license plate) and that curvy roads in high traffic areas are the easiest for a "perp" to get away with speeding/using a detector.

    Finally, she mentioned that the time to look for radar/laser, especially "instant on" is when you're traveling on roads that offer "cover" for a police vehicle to spy on you....a thicket of trees, a valley in the median, an overpass (which she uses with another officer on the road.

    She also said laser guns are way more expensive, and are harder to use, than radar guns. Thus, there are many, many more radar set ups than laser as municipalities can't understand why the same number of tickets (revenue generators) can't be used instead of the more expensive laser guns.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,019
    I've been pretty good about "being smart" regarding my speeding ways. When I got my 81 in a 55 ticket a few weeks ago, I completely let my guard down. It was 7:04 AM on a Saturday. If I had a detector, it defintiely would have gone off. The state trooper was sitting on the zebra stripes to an exit ramp right out in the open. This ticket is the 1st I've gotten in almost 10 years.

    My beautiful, new, BMW 328xi seems to be quite comfortable at speeds that are higher than the posted limit (and I'm strictly following the break-in).

    I can't wait to get in it & drive home from work.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    NYC you said it, the car drives so well, the faster you drive it the better it feels, that is the real issue, is keeping the speed down enough not to get a ticket but fast enough to place a smile on ones face...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,019
    The car just feels so planted & glued to the road. The chassis seems like it won't loose it's composure unless I do something purposefully stupid (which I don't plan on doing).

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    NYC I couldn't agree more, in my job I travel a lot and rent a lot of cars, I have driven many a Camry, Chrysler 200's and 300's (2011-2012) VW CC's, Malibu's (really the worse car I have driven) Altima's (currently have one) C300s and I have to say the 3 series has a vault feel to it, enjoy it!! It is suppose to rain tonight here on the east coast so you get to see how the AWD handles it.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,194
    This is good stuff. Thanks.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "Malibu's (really the worse car I have driven)"

    Hey, I drive a Malibu M-F. I actually think it's a pretty nice car. Attractive cockpit, compliant ride, quiet cabin, decent handling (for a family car).

    I would never own one, but it's a nice car for commuting and a lot of car for the money.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,194
    Its also a good value - lawman sorry these BMW guys love to rag on others because they didn't spend 45k. Malibu also a nice place for vacation.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,019
    I didn't forget what you do for a living, just figured like the great Axle Foley that you "fractured an occasional law or two..."

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,237
    Well, if it's that nice, why do you call it an M-F? :surprise:

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited March 2012
    Because to drive it on the weekends would be a betrayal of the public trust. :(
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    Don't think he got it. :sick:
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,019
    If he would have said, I drive a M-F Malibu. I think he got what you were saying though.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    OK, now I get it. Phew, that one flew right over my head... :blush:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    flightnurse.....I just returned from a biz trip where I rented a Hyundai Sonata. Now, I've read about them, and seen them on the road. They're supposed to be the next great "Accord killer".

    Well, comparing it to my 3, or even my Fiesta, the Sonata feels almost uncontrollable going down the road.

    Fed....even those Malibu rentals handle better than the Sonata.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,704
    edited March 2012
    sorry these BMW guys love to rag on others because they didn't spend 45k.

    Easy with the generalizations. I spent little more than half that. :P

    I think any mid-sized front-driver is lame, I don't care the price. ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Hey Fed, I'm not too sure which version you have, but the rental fleet Malibu I have had (I only rent from National) hasn't impressed me, fit and finish not too good, creaking noises from the dash, transmissions that don't downshift quick enough. Now like I said, it just might be the fact it is in a rental fleet. I also get Ford Fusions, with either the 2.5L 4 or 3.0 6, I have to say nice car...

    I currently have a Chrysler 300C, the more I drive this car the more I like it.
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