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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    Graphic the base Sonata's are horrible what do you want for $20K, however the standard features in the car are very impressive, I thought the same thing when I had one last year. I only rent from National, and at my elite level I can pick any car I want to drive, so if I see a Sonata and it's not a limited I pass it, I'll take a Camry instead.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited March 2012
    Mine's a Malibu Hybrid. The federal government bought a bunch of them in 2009 and 2010 to help with the Big-3 bailout. No squeaks or rattles in mine. The structure feels very rigid and the suspension has an almost European firm yet compliant feel.

    There are three of us in my office. One of my partners got a Fusion Hybrid and it's a better car than the Malibu, but I find the seats uncomfortable and the engine a little unrefined sounding (and the CVT sucks - I hate CVT's). The third guy got a Chevy HHR - what a POS that is...
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,161
    I think it was the big 2, dont think ford took money from the AIFM. - they did receive a DOE loan to produce fuel efficient cars- so did tesla and the others. Have to like what the uS guys are doing with the loans- plus at 30% the government made out pretty good as well
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    Swenny you are correct, Ford did not take any money, they just sold off Jag, Volvo and Aston Martin and mortgaged some property to raise the cash they needed. They have done very well for themselves..

    I also have to give it to both GM and Chrysler they have done well too, I personally think that Chrysler has done much better in the quality game then GM.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Some pics of my recently acquired 2001 328xi. Higher quality pics to follow. Took these pre dawn with my beloved iPhone:

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    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Be forewarned. My recently acquired 2011 BMW 328xi is going to be very tough to replace in 30 months. This thing has set my personal bar extremely high. I don't wish to buy another car with electric power steering. I want it to be built on a RWD platform. Excellent driving dynamics, High quality interior materials, and refinement mean a great deal to me. Don't give me what I want, I'll buy my current leased car out, and you won't see me in a showroom for a long time to come.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    should have just bought it in the first place.

    I really need to stop torturing myself looking at the CPO listings at my local dealer. And I really need to stay the heck out of the showroom. Well, maybe just stopping in for a quick test drive. That couldn't possibly hurt, right?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,541
    I hear you.
    I will face a similar issue when my 3 lease runs out...
    One option is to buy this car.
    - Ray
    Wondering what the ELLPS landscape will look like in 1.5 years.......
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Seems like BMW is trying to become more "Mercedes-Like" with their tuning their cars toward ride comfort & Mercedes is trying to become more "BMW-Like" trying to make their cars more sporty.

    I've yet to drive one, but if MB offers a C350 Sedan with 4Matic and Sport Suspension it may very well be the winner next time around. MB puts some serious "conquest cash incentives" on their cars as of late too.

    I hope BMW figures out that electric power steering stinks and gives it to me how I like it! Like in my E90.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,161
    What are the Packages on the car again? Cost to you- and dealer
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    well, the just introduced 3 series sounds like a winner, so you should be good for a while. Who knows (who cares!) about the other players.

    But, I am thinking that I wish I had the budget to snag my next (and very long term) ride now, with some of the nice 2008/2009 CPOs floating around.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    speaking of packages, I love the way my local dealer does their listings (not sure if all BMW dealers are like this). Well done ad, and in the detail, it lists all of the packages/options (with original prices even), so you know exactly how each car is equipped. No guessing, no need to worry about some clerk checking the wrong boxes (pretty sure this is somehow automated off of VIN)

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    Hey Stick all BMW dealers do that, it is nice to see what packages are on the cars when they list them for sale. I have noticed Audi does the same thing.

    FN
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    NYC, I believe that car manufactures are trying to make the best of the new CAFE numbers, and to do so, any and all load is going to be taken off the engine. Now until they can get their CAFE # up each and every one of them is going to be doing something different.

    FN
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,275
    Nyc.....too nice . Big congrats!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Here's the information you requested:

    2011 BMW 328xi

    6-Speed Steptronic Transmission
    Value Package
    Premium Package
    Navigation
    Xenon Adaptive Headlights
    Split Folding Rear Seats
    Heated Steering Wheel
    Metallic Paint

    MSRP: $44,190
    Sale Price: $38,746 ($5444 off MSRP)

    I was never able to calculate the exact dealer invoice due to the fact that nowhere (edmunds, kbb, true car, bimmerfest) of the Premium Package. I probably ended up paying $500 over invoice.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Thanks my friend. I didn't negotiate as well as you could have Jedi Master. I am ungodly happy with my BMW. I love it!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Finally, the pictures! Thanks. How about some interior shots?

    I got my issue of Car & Driver today and there's a nice comparo of the current crop of ELLPSs. The new 328i wins, of course, but they mentioned the electric steering more than once. At the end of the article, they basically said to go buy a 2011 if you like a more sporting car...

    I think you made a good move NYC.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Thanks fedlawman! I cannot wait to make it through break in. I'm so ready to drop the hammer & see what it's made of;)

    I'll take some interior shots tomorrow.

    The difference between the BMW & others in the class is the fact that I've wanted a BMW of my own for a long time now. Growing up in the 1980's, I never thought much of the E30's 3 box styling. It wasn't until a close friend graduated college & bought himself a fully loaded E36 325is w/ stick shift & sport package. It stickered for about the same as an E36 M3 at the time. One night we were at a club in Buffalo. At about 2AM, he was trying to hook up with some 6' blonde girl (my friend is 5'6"). I told Chris I needed to get home to drive back to school (Ithaca) the next day. He tossed me his car keys & said: "see you for breakfast."

    I remember sliding into the sport seat of that E36 and it just fit me perfectly. I spent the next 2 1/2 hours tearing around the streets of Buffalo. I even perfectly rotated the car around corners & steered it's tail end with the throttle a few times.

    At breakfast the next AM. "Bradd, you know I don't care, but what were you doing with my car last night?"

    I tell him how much I LOVE his car & how difficult it will be to hop into my car (1992 Beretta GT) & drive back to Ithaca. "Why?"

    Chris tells me his sky pager kept going off (they say blowin up now) with messages like: "Chris, slow down!". "Chris, I think someone stole your car."

    From that night in Buffalo until last week, I've wanted a BMW of my own. I finally got it! And I love it!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited March 2012
    That's awesome! The VANOS I-6 is one the sweetest engines of all time. Terrific manual transmission too. Similar to the M20, but a little silkier IIRC.

    No other engine can match a BMW I-6 for that feeling and sound. Enjoy your 3er because when the I-6's are all gone (and they are going), that sweet, smooth wonderfulness will be but a memory...

    Now finish your story. Did Chris enjoy his evening as much as you did yours?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,275
    edited March 2012
    nyc....you did good on your deal. No worries there.

    I'm not one of those people who "baby" cars during break-in. Now, I don't go tearing through the gears, redlining each one, every time I'm behind the wheel. Nor, do I test the limits of ABS when I first get a car.

    But, I also don't make any undo effort to keep below a certain speed/RPM. That philosophy has served me well.

    Wait until you get about 5K miles on it. It seems to really open up then. And MPG improves around that mark, too.

    Have fun!

    fedlawman....the 335i still uses the I-6, only it has the dual scroll turbo. It also has all the other current engine tricks with VANOS (variable valve timing) and direct injection. I took mine a step further and had the dealer add the power kit package that boosts HP by 20 and torque by 30+. This is sanctioned by BMW, is warranted the same as the regular BMW warranty, and is mainly an update to the engine management system.

    I think both 3.0 I-6s (boosted and non-boosted) are way underrated for HP and torque, as both feel a lot stronger than BWM's numbers suggest.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    for my man fedlawman's request -

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    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    I agree I don't baby mine nor do I red line it either, so far I'm averaging 21 in mine I only have 3700 miles on it too.

    I was under the impression that the 335i engine had the double VANOS (intake and exhaust.) Also if you swap out the intercooler for an aftermarket unit you will increase HP about 15%, this wont void the warranty either.

    German HP rating, I don't think it is just BMW, but all German brands. For the amount of HP that the german print I have always though they were off their mark. The 7 series with the Twin Turbo 6 is rated at 315hp and 330lbs, moves this 4600lb car fro 0-60 in 5.8 sec. This is a couple of ticks slower then a 3 series 4 cy turbo. Very impressive, when we drove one, I could have sworn it had more HP then what BMW rated it at.

    FN
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    NYC, I find it interesting that people think they need to go into a dealership and try and beat the dealer down to a profit margin of -10% on cars. I tell people, if YOU are happy with the deal and if YOU are happy with the car then YOU did good. There are monies on all cars that not even edmonds know about, it sounds like you are happy and that is a good thing.

    BTW, check out www.truecar.com great website for auto pricing
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    I agree. There's ALWAYS going to be someone who paid less. I couldn't be happier with my car! Besides the $5444 I got off the MSRP, I'm getting 2 pmt credits from BMWFS totaling $1000. Any car deal (no matter what the salesman says) makes the dealer money. You'll never get a car for "Net Net.".

    I love my new BMW!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,275
    flightnurse...you're right. The 335i does utilize BMW's "double" VANOS variable valve timing.

    I'm relatively certain that both the published HP and torque ratings on the i-6 are under rated.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    I am really jonesing for one of those CP) 328is I found. Wonder if my son would care if I skipped paying his senior year college tuition? A diploma is overrated, right?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    Hey Stick make your son pay for his senior year, builds character.. BTW, BMW builds a 328is?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    so I forgot an appostrophe. Supposed to have been plural (more than 1 328i!). And I think he would have to sell a kidney or 2 to buld that much character.

    But, I am being tortured. Just glanced out to the parking lot, and 2 down from my car is a new looking (old style, but not very old) black 3 series. I feel like I am being stalked, or haunted. Or just plain teased.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    I figured that was the case, however I have been wondering if BMW would build a 328is, this time build based on the sedan not the coupe. Give it more HP, more sport just like the 335is...

    Have you looked at carmax regarding your BMW. The ZPH forum I'm on finds ZPH 330's that are for sale. It seem's carmax as 3 of them currently for sale, One is a convert in Vegas, one is a sedan and other is coupe, low 20's for them, great price, the coupe I saw the ad, it has mid 50's for mileage, and price was in the low 20's. Good price for what you are getting. Just another avenue for you to look at.

    FN
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