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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,010
    I've heard the TDI's are hard to come by & that dealers aren't giving much of a discount. Even at 50 mpg highway, is it worth paying sticker or taking a nice discount (and possibly special lease & finance rates) on the same car with the VR6?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    NYC end though AWD isn't needed in So.Florida you would be surprised on how many are sold in Miami..
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,010
    There's a lot of people up here that have places down there. They buy the cars in FLA & keep em registered & insured there because it is much cheaper. Or maybe the cars themselves are cheaper because SOuth Fla is a huge market for luxury cars.

    My best fruend's parents have a place in Boca Raton. He went to visit them & went with his Dad to drop off their GL 450 for service. He said every single car in the showroom was Black/Black with 4Matic.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    flightnurse...over the years I've tried to "like" the G. It's not that they are insufficient in any way. It's more like, as you alluded to, I won't spend my own money on one. It's never been like there was one glaring thing I didn't like about them, but there were several small, niggly things about them that didn't appeal to me. Maybe since Nissan is bringing out a new Altima, that will trickle "up" to the G and I might be more inclined to give the G another shot.

    Don't ask me why, but I've never liked diesels, probably never will. Whatever you gain in MPG is more than offset by the higher prices for diesel fuel. So, no desire for any sort of diesel....let alone one of the VW variety.

    Personally, I can't see anything current, or on the foreseeable horizon that would make me want to jump in the driver's seat for a test drive.

    BTW.....you drive much more interesting rental cars than I do. Mine are Impalas, Malibus, Altimas, Corollas, Kias, Fusions, etc. I should probably stay loyal to one rental company, however. At least I could give them a reason to put me in one of their premium sleds to use as a free upgrade.

    I jump from one to the other, though. Very little loyalty to any of them. Although, I probably use Enterprise more than the others. Might throw some business to Hertz this year to see what they'll do for me.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    NYC funny you say that, I like the VR6, but the engine doesn't get the mileage that the people who are looking at the Passt want. The biggest draw to the passt is the TDI. VW is marketing the TDI as the hybrid alternative, that was told to us 3-4 times. Also if you look at the Toyota Pruis line of cars, the Prius V fully loaded is 30K, and the EPA rated the V lower then what the real world people are getting with the TDI.

    It will be interesting to see what VW does with the passt, right now you can lease a Passt S for $205/m for 36/months with ZERO down... Talking about leases currently the Jetta and Passt TDI residual is at a whopping 58% but I coldn't get the money factor out of the dealer unless I filled out an credit app. So I'm betting the money factor is on the high side.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    NYC there you go, you can take the person out of the Northeast, but you can't take the northeast out of the person... Now when I was in Miami, if the car was a MB or Audi they were black, if they were Porches turbos it was either white or yellow, if they were lambo's ( saw 7 of them) they were Red, white or lime green.

    Sweeny should check Chicago area dealers as well as Detroit what a way to get accustomed to your new car then on a road trip home.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,754
    A similar phenomenon prevails in the metro Phoenix area where perhaps half of the BMWs are black (including my 3er convertible), so are a lot of Benzes (not so much the Audis).

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Graphic you have some valid points.

    Graphic go test a drive a TDI just for fun, I would love to know what you think since you aren't a diesel fan, my partner was just like you, didn't like them didn't want one. But after reading about them and all the praises they have gotten, he is a believer. Now you bring up a good point, cost of fuel, here in Phoenix the cost difference between Regular and Diesel is about .40, and between premium and diesel is about .20. Now the diesel will get roughly 35% better mileage then gas engine car, so basically in the long run, you will save money with the diesel if you keep it at at least 50K miles.

    I think one of the biggest draw back to the G is the interior, the first Gen RWD car didn't have the upscale look that it needed. The second gen RWD G again, the interior didn't have the wow factor to it.

    Regarding rental cars. The company I work is a very large global company and we have a special account with National. So the price of the car's are at a very heavy discount. I'll give you an example.. When I was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago, the 300C cost me $93 total for two days, now this includes full coverage insurance. If I rented the same car with out the work discount, would have been $199. National has a great deal, join their Emerald club (it is free) and rent mid-size or higher and when you get to the airport you choose your car and drive off for the mid-size price. I have found that they are mid range in price, I had done the Alamo, Thrifty, Dollar but the customer service is horrible and they try and nickel and dime you when you return the car. Currently I have twenty five free rentals I need to use this year or will loose them. Airlines I have stopped flying UA all together, and book most of my travels on US. I throw AA some bones once in a while (my flight to miami)
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    I think color has a lot to do with people perceived is luxury. Are these BMW and MB 3 and C class or are they 7 and S class cars?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,754
    edited April 2012
    All of 'em, 3ers, 5ers, Xers, 7ers. Same with Benzes. I think you're right about the perception of luxury and black but back East I hardly ever see a black Bimmer, they're generally, silver, grey, red or blue.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,582
    What were the tire pressures?
    - Ray
    Seen many overinflated tires on dealer lots....
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Ray I have no idea, I left my tire pressure gauge at home. But the SEL we test drove was sold before we left the dealer. The TDI's are flying off the lots.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,193
    Not that this has to do with anything- And I don't know prices of the Toyota hybrid but for under 30k u can get a VW tdi- seams like a pretty cool deal- bigger car and better mileage - plus I would try to run the tank 800 miles- which would mean I would have to fill up 8 times a year - pretty cool.
    I've actually done a little research and have noticed the mags like the car and say to go with the manual - and I can tell you the vw does manuals (not Acura crisp- but very good)

    Let's save the manuals - screw the whales.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Sweeny the 800 miles per tank is highway miles only. But if you go to the web site I posted, you will people real world mileage and 800 is a realistic range. VW has done a lot of work on the DSG to work well with the Diesel, the diesel mated to the DSG gets the best mileage.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,193
    Manual is 31/43
    Auto 30/40

    This is on vw website

    And from Your buddy James Healey
    •How thirsty? Manual transmission is rated 31 miles per gallon in town, 43 mpg on the highway, 35 in mixed driving. Automatic: 30/40/34.

    James also talks of the tHe tranny
    •The car "creeps" too aggressively in stop-go traffic. To improve mileage, the VW automatic lacks the fluid-filled torque converter (hence, "dry clutch") that allows a conventional automatic to ease ahead slowly, smoothly, gently in bad traffic, but burns extra fuel doing so.

    I'm sure the dsg is a fine component but I'll take the manual-
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,193
    edited April 2012
    and to you I present the next G

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/infiniti-g-plans-hy- - brid-530-hp-v-6-maybe-diesel/1#.T44XchB5mSM

    Let's hope they clean up the look - but the idea of a super G and 540hp are cool- if they keep the price inline to where it's still the value leader- and for flight lets hope they make the interior with some "wow"- glad they kept the engine -
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,754
    edited April 2012
    and to you I present the next G

    They stole the new Lexus Grille!>
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    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 394
    But look at those sinister eyes ( headlights). Definately a similar grill though.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    Not feeling that new "G", especially the rear of it.

    Interesting that they're doing a joint venture with Benz. I'd have to believe Benz would want to keep their luxo parts/engineering/technology in-house. Infiniti may forego what they've been touting so far with the G. That is, it's a cheaper knock off of a BMW 3. Maybe they're moving up market and want to go head-to-head with BMW? Including price?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,010
    edited April 2012
    I think the TDI is a fantastic alternative to a hybrid (I'm no where near sold on the added expense & complexity). I personally like the TDI's long cruising range, but I just can't see buying one at sticker when you can get a VR6 at a nice discount with special financing.

    I'm sure that VR6 torque steers & understeers too.

    I'm totally digging my 328xi's RWD based platform.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    edited April 2012
    Complexity of what? BTW, the more milesyou drive it the better it pays for itself. This is not a car in which you lease for 3 yrs and return it.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    I agree Infiniti needs to bring it with this Generation, It been shown that best bang for the buck doesn't always mean people are going to buy it. In this segment anyhow. Nissan really needs to bring more luxury to the G.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,010
    Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant the expense & complexity of a hybrid, not the TDI.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    That i agree with, the complexity of the Hybrid is what turned us off. Today we are off to look at a 335d....
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,010
    2011 leftover?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,194
    Has to be.... there won't be a 2012 model...

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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,193
    Flight I think they did bring in in gen 1 and 2 versions of the car that's why it sold so well - the Lux arguement - well it's all perception - some people- me included think the audi interior kills it- while he base 3 looks like something from the mid 80- pleather interior and all.

    U see the numbers on the mpg for the TDI?
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,697
    Each manufacture has its own perception of what Luxury is, I like Audi and BMW interior, very German, clean lines. Japan on the other hand like the Tech look, very busy looking. The center stack of the Nissan Max and G and M shows what I'm talking about.

    Regarding what EPA rates the TDI at, so what, I have read what people are getting in the real world. I posted a website so look for yourself, people are getting better mileage with the DSG then a manual. What I found interesting is, what the EPA rated the Infiniti G and M is highly questionable, I know people who aren't getting what the EPA posted, they are getting worse...
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