Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

1450451453455456581

Comments

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,631
    I have to agree, when they presented us with the paperwork and "great" deal on airfare, i saw that the fare bucket for the ticket was not one to be able to upgrade from, I knew it wasn't a good deal.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    It's a shame that your car is last in class- it seems the BMW botheren- while talking a great game, of being real drivers- has gone away from manuals- even thou they have the option ( other auto makers in he class don't) of man transmission - the sweet lease option of a 328 has gotten alot of so called enthuiaists into this car and class- gbozen and others who feel the auto is a better choice feast your eyes on a great BMW wagon - but congrats on the auto "winning."- your grandmas would be proud
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    edited May 2012
    Shocked - figured the 2 for one flight comment was to once again prove he got a better deal- following the leader ad comment, or the comment about the " experiential deal" deal he got, its always about the better deal you got vs others. Nice job flight way to go
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,498
    edited May 2012
    Man, let that go, will you? Can we just get along?

    The thing with the "companion" fare was it requires you buy a booking code of full fare (Y or similar) for first ticket - but many tickets are available at deep (Q, T, Z or similar) that are about 50% of full fare, often even less.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    I've always found that if you ignore a yappy dog they will quiet down eventually if you kinow what I mean.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    Sorry was a little sideways when I posted that - was looking at my Facebook allocation - was wrong to attack- sorry
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,631
    edited May 2012
    Sweeny no one stated that autos are better, we are saying that, the auto have gotten just as good as a stick. Performance speaking stick were much better in the 0-60 and mpg game (ten years ago), however, the autos of today are just as good. So a 1 MPH better and 0.01 seconds faster 0-60 and the 1/4 miles, doesn't really matter with the clogged highways/expressways these days.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,631
    Dino, as you know the 2-1 is only good on the Euro Delivery not a inventory sale.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,498
    edited May 2012
    My preference of stick shift has nothing to do with performance, track times, 0-60. I'm not that good of a driver to actually take advantage of the edge, even if it existed. I don't prefer it because of the fuel economy, as modern autos are either better or almost as good (depending on who makes them). My preference for stick shift is only about one thing - it is feel of a connection between the throttle pedal and wheels, feedback that can be provided only by a mechanincal grip (direct friction) between clutch plates. No matter what, fluid driven by fins (in a classic hydrokinetic transmission, aka torque converter) will give you different feel. I've never driven DSG/SMG/DCT, but I can only imagine those transmissions as being the only equivalent device to facilitate similar feel you get from manual transmission. I could let go the pedal, it's the connection I'd miss if switched to normal slushbox.

    To be completely fair, the slushbox on the 328i loaner, I had for couple of weeks came, close to what I'd consider acceptable replacement. It was really first premium segment car I had opportunity to drive for more extended time and I almost liked the transmission. I opted for the manual simply because it was possibly last chance I still had an option(same with the six-in-line engine, BTW).

    I'm resigned to strong possibility of getting a slushbox for my next car - hopefully long time from now. It's not going to be "terrible", or anything like that - just a little sad, that's all. End of an era. But since there was a stay of the execution, I used it.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,873
    Thanks for the apology - let's keep it civil and non-personal from here on out, please.

    MODERATOR
    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.
    Share your vehicle reviews

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    Well said!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,631
    Dino well said, I know what you saying, I was the guy who always had a stick, I don't see myself ever selling my 05 (of course I didn't never) so I have my fun car as well as track car. But I do see a DSG/DCT type car in the future.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    edited May 2012
    As I watch the rangers and devils pick each other apart- hockey is alive and well up east- I would like to once again mix things up- we all know the tsx is going to die or is it the TL ? as Acura introduces a civic based sedan - 2 4cy options (real drivers will select the 2.4, manual- drive one and ask yourself) but in presnet size looks like a potential player- when will we retire the TL or Tsx in this chat- its about time- im asking for one gine, and if i remember correclty the hosts were asking these same members to rate or talk about the new Acura isx im talking to the hosts, as this is the most popular forum at edmunds (you are so very welcome). While we are at it - the caddy cts. A car I like has to go as well with the new caddy ats. No car co should have 2 in the entry level -it's entry For a reason.

    Save the manuals
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    Sweendogy

    Excellent hockey game. I'm not happy with the outcome. As far as the ilx is concerned, it's nothing more than a glorified civic which in its current iteration hasn't exactly gotten glowing reviews. The 2.4 that will be available with a manual transmission (and electric power steering - YUCK) is a luxo version of the Civic Si.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    What gives you the idea that Honda would even consider retiring the TL?
    Can you substantiate any evidence or facts to even bring this absurd thought to the board?
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,631
    Bill read the subject header and you will what is going on, and you fell right for it.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    i expected such a comment from you flight -- but billy come on man -
    i might be brash at times but I dont make things up - enjoy the day..

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/12/acura-rl-replacement-coming-in-april-tl-or-ts- x-to-be-killed/
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    quite possible they wil consolidate. In theory, a lot of overlap with the 3 models (heck, 4 if the Rl is still around!). so logically you cold replace the Ilx, TSX and TL with 2 models. Given that the I is just out, I assume the TSX would be the causualty?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    That's all speculations- I dont see them discontiuing the TL, the TSX, probably-with the addition of the ILX, the TSX is a redundant car now.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    one could say with the New RL comming soon - the TL is a redundant car. But again i dont know-- also have to look at whats selling and if recent history of the TL would suggest it could be on the chopping block, given its sales slide since the 07/08 redu
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,498
    edited May 2012
    There is no way TL will go. TSX is definitely the one, if something goes. I think the US market is just too small and too tough to support car like that. It probably costs them too much vs. what they can charge in volumes those things are selling. I actually like it, but I know when I like something, it won't sell. ILX being based on economy car spreads the costs much better.

    The problem I cannot see how in the world they could make anything close to TSX experience with ILX. The thing is based on Civic platform :sick: whereas TSX was based on Euro/JDM Accord, which were positioned similarly to US ELLPS (and sold at appropriate prices). So you know the pedigree of TSX is much more noble than coming ILX. This is just another example of Acura and Honda losing their way. They are undoubtedly going through some kind of crisis.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    They had good success with the Integra and RSX.. which were both Civic based.. Maybe they can do it again..

    MODERATOR
    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    i 2 had the Integra GS-R - best civic ever made
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Speculating on whether the TSX or TL (or both) will go away is futile.

    I believe Acura will likely maintain a 3-car lineup. RLX at the top, ILX at the bottom, and something in between. Lets just call it the TLX for now...
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,141
    edited May 2012
    Not the point- is it a 200 hp sudo lux accord - or is it a 36k entry 6 with sport (er) option
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    How about offering a FWD turbo 4 TLX for $35,000 and an AWD V6 TLX for $42,000? Fully loaded in the Japanese tradition, of course.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    Do you guys read the READERS RIDES BLOG? If not, here's my write up on my 2001 Honda Prelude

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Nice write up!

    I've always liked the Prelude and yours looks just amazing. You've really taken good care of it.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,076
    edited May 2012
    I don't see Acura stopping the slide out of the premium class if the emphasis (based on dealer inventory) continues on obviously tarted up Hondas (no matter how nice) with FWD and 5 or 6 speed autos.

    My opinion is that Acura needs to offer the entire lineup with SH-AWD and nothing less than a 6spd auto, moving toward 8spd autos (and if possible keeping stick shifts if for no other reason than marketing.)

    The direction Acura seems to be moving is to build nice cars -- that neither offend (once the beak styling is banished to at least the '12 TL level if not moreso) nor excite (visually at least.) The current and apparent upcoming future direction is to slowly continue to slide out of the Premium class. One $100,000+ NSX doesn't change anything.

    Driving my 2012 TL SH-AWD Advance is very much like driving the previous generation Audi A6 (known as the C6), perhaps a 2009 or 2010 model.

    That may be damning with faint praise or it may be simply mild, not wild praise that Acura in 2012 can build a decent 2009 Audi A6 clone (that isn't as good looking.)

    In two years I move to a new car -- at this point Acura will get a look-see, but I'm thinking so will Infiniti and Audi and Cadillac. The Acura will have to step up its game.

    Today, Acura reminds me, in the pecking order of the world, as the Japanese VW. :confuse:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    ...that neither offend (once the beak styling is banished to at least the '12 TL level if not moreso)

    The ol' beak works for some of us. Reminds me of a time, many years ago before marriage, in Venice where I saw a stunning Italian lady. She had a beak...but somehow, it worked for me ;)
Sign In or Register to comment.