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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,047
    edited June 2012
    Electric Power Steering. One can tolerate in a CUV/SUV but for a sports sedan it has to be done really well. Acura's isn't done really well, just ok. When Mazda can do electric steering that is excellent there is no excuse for Acura not doing as well or better.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,993
    m6user - I had the opposite in my garage. The TSX ("sporty sedan") had electric power steering which I detested. My wife's Pilot (SUV) has hydraulic power steering which I most definitely prefer.

    The EPS is one of the main reasons I dumped my TSX after only 2 1/2 years.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    kd....Gs are fine cars. Like KYFDX, I've tried to like them more, but just can't. And, I don't particularly know why.

    I read an article the other day (can't remember the source, though) stipulating that Honda is becoming arrogant.....that they believe they know better than their customers. That's a slipper slope, if true. My experiences with both Hondas and Acuras has been sterling. All models offer good value, and performance/tech/reliability/build quality....again, especially for what they cost.

    ILS....I haven't seen one yet. I doubt seriously I'll drive one in the foreseeable future.

    On the other hand, while I doubt I can talk her into it, the GF has agreed to go test drive an S4 tonight. She's been driving my 2nd car (Ford Fiesta) and seems perfectly happy in doing so. That said, she's got an Avalanche and a Subaru gathering dust in my driveway. Hmmmmm....I wonder if an Audi dealer would be interested in those?

    Never drove the V8 S4. From what I understand, the SC V6 is faster with better MPG, though. I do love the way it sounds, too.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    "Gs are fine cars. Like KYFDX, I've tried to like them more, but just can't. And, I don't particularly know why." -Ditto.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    To me the G with the wood accents reminds me of a BMW drivers interior. The aluminum belongs in the convertible, not in the sedan.

    The TL is too busy on the inside, too big on the inside, too ugly on the outside and has a bigger turning radius than the competition.

    Having said that I consider the G and TL equals. Each one has something unique for the driver.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    edited June 2012
    kd.....one of the advantages of the TL was the room on the inside. It had some really good seats, and I loved the way the steering wheel felt, too. That's what I liked about it. Trunk space was a little disappointing given the car's size, though. I think we're going to have to get used to buttons upon buttons on all cars. The ones in the TL took no time at all to master. Plus, most everything in the car could be accomplished either from the steering wheel or via voice command.

    Again, I like the G. Just not enough to spend my own money on one.

    Well....GF and I did a nice long test drive in the S4 last night. She liked it. I loved it. I didn't get the sense she liked it enough to pull the trigger on it, though. If she would get rid of both her vehicles ('04 Subaru and '05 Avalanche), she'd actually save a bit of money on insurance, and have no repairs (which are becoming more and more common on both vehicles recently). After I made the financial case, she's thinking about it.

    The one we drove, wicked looking black on black, had Nav, B&O stereo (very nice), 7-speed s-tronic (love that trans), and driver select driving customization with a torque vectoring rear.

    As good as my BMW handles and goes, the S4 does both better.

    MSRP was mid $50s. To add to the sticker shock, it was the first 2013 they had in stock, so no discounts. We can't have that.

    We'll see where this goes.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,993
    Somebody hacked your email

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,577
    I did drive 3 S4s, before settling on the BMW.
    There is much to appreciate...
    - Ray
    Still - happy with my choice...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,993
    kd - Id love to drive an M5 too. In all honesty, how fast can can you realistically drive it on public roads? I often find myself doing 80+ (so the speedo says), then stab the throttle to pass and triple digits come up real quick. That's with BMW's base 3.0L, 230 hp Inline 6.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    nyccarguy.....Yeah....I've been inundated with folks who thought I was selling miracle medicine while in Indonesia. If any of my friends here received that email from me, my apologies. I've notified my email provider. Again, sorry!

    ray....I like my BMW, too. I want both the S4 and my 335i :P .

    But, I don't want to own both. GF likes AWD/4WD vehicles. She's also said she doesn't need two vehicles. And, she's been complaining about spending what seems like $200-$300/mo in repairs on both cars (which is why she's currently driving my Fiesta).

    So, trying to "nudge" her a little bit towards the S4.

    Clearly, I like it a whole lot more than she does. But, she does like it!
  • your soooo right about the G35 I love mine!!!,and it is quicker than the BMW similar model,and it's a whole lot less!!!, I have 52,000 miles on my G35 and I LOVE IT!!,will not buy a BMW,or any other car!! :)
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    Getting a little scary, GF was looking on line last night and found an S4 she liked, although it's about a 5 hour drive away in Chicago. She's getting a quote from the dealership, supposedly. This could be getting serious.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,190
    Good for you- yeah the pre 2012, 328 is priced inline with the g37 - has less standard features- fake leather- and a old technology ( pre 2012)- and is as fast to 60 as a jeep wrangler. One thing you can't knock is yhe looks- BMW ages well
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    Decided to take a weekend trip to Chicago. First stop is the Audi place after breakfast. Lunch at Debevics, Adler planetarium, a show, and dinner. We'll see what we drive home.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,993
    Nice! Can't wait to find out! I saw a gorgeous S4 (w/ the SC V6) last night. Black with some beautiful gunmetal wheels (they were stock). I dig it!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Nice! Audi has the styling of this gen nailed. Upscale, aggressive yet tasteful. Like rolling art - inside and out.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,689
    I drove a RS4 last night, all I have to say is WOW. Anyone interested in a 2005 330ic with the ZPH package fully loaded, and a 2011 328i with M sportpackage! Never drove a car that would make me sell the 330.. However, I never drove a RS4...
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    How did you get RS4? Did you go to Germany to drive it? I'm asking because as for now, there is no RS4 for sale. There is S4. RS4 is one step above, they sold it in the US a few years ago, but not very recently. Last time it was 2007 and 2008.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,103
    He didn't say it was new.. ?

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  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    I don't know, that's why I was asking. Either he drove an older one, or he drove one in Europe, or he simply drove S4, calling it RS4...

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,190
    I once drove a s4 v8 - was pretty sweet - huge grunt, not the best in the corners as its front heavy, I'm sure the new 6 is better. Rs4 I've seem a few but brand new premium was large vs the s4, is it worth it ? Glad we are back talking 4 door salons again.

    Btw saw an e53 ? Wagon today - pretty cool- or is it the e55
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    edited June 2012
    OK.....without further adieu, pics of the S4. I know you'd rather see these first before posting the story of how it ended up in our possession. It's a 2013, with S-Tronic, MMI NAV, Bang and Olefson media player, drive select (maps performance parameters), torque vectoring, Quattro, some other stuff that's on the sticker that I can't remember....

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  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    Beuautiful. Out of my range, for sure. Audis is definitely best styling from Germany, if not from all brand, bort exteriors and interiors, and its tech is also not to shaby, not at all. Hope you'll be happy together ;) Congrats.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,993
    Mazel-tov! It's GORGEOUS! We MUST hear how it drives!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    Not sure what happend there with the pictures, but it looks like they were cut off. Probably a story more suited to the Sales Front Lines Forum, but that one's drifted a bit.

    So, how'd this come about?

    Well, GF had been driving my Fiesta. She has a couple of vehicles of her own....an Avalanche and a Subaru....both in good shape.

    When I had test driven the S4, I admit I loved the way it drove. It's as fast as my 335i (maybe a tenth or two quicker with the S4, 0-60, if that's important to know). But, as good as the ride/handling balance is on my 335i, it's better with the S4. Plus, I'd never sat in sport seats as good, or as comfortable as the ones in the S4. S-Tronic dual clutch transmission is a gem.

    Trunk is bigger, more room, etc in the S4 (vs my 335i coupe).

    So, GF had been talking about how she was planning to sell the Subaru as she wasn't using it much (because she was using my 2nd car, the Fiesta, most of the time). In addition, my son, who's been driving a car I game him, an '06 Honda Accord, with about 100K miles, was talking about buying something else.

    So, as we started plotting what, if anything we were going to do, I found a reason to test drive S4s at local dealers. We have two. One, about 30 minutes from me, the other about 45 mins-1 hour away. The closest one had one S4. Nice car....they acted like it was made of solid platinum. The other one further away, had one '12 and one '13. They were willing to deal, but really low balled the trade.

    Speaking of the trade, I decided to take my son's Accord back (actually, the title was still in my name), in trade for the Fiesta (less than a year old with about 5K miles on it). And, he gave me $5K, on a loan I made to him a year or so ago.

    With Father's Day upon us, we decided to spend the weekend, all together (GF, son, son's GF) in Chicago (about a 4.5-5 hour drive). Based on that, and the desire for the GF, and son's GF to go clothes shopping, and the men going car shopping. We drove the Accord, with the understanding as described above.

    Called a couple of dealerships around the Chicago area to see if they had any S4s. Not a lot of these cars out there. One dealership had 4 of them, but all the rest had 1-2. Again, these are scarce cars.

    Did a little homework before heading out to the big city. The Accord was worth between low $9s to high $9s on a trade. I came down right in the middle since the miles were a shade high.....$9,500 was the trade number. I had also done some contract work for VW of USA a few years back. My contact had told me at the time to let him know if I was ever in the market for a VW product, and he'd get my a supplier number for the discount they offer (6% off MSRP). I had that in my pocket.

    To be continued.....
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Lol, as nyccarguy said...Mazel tov. Lots of luck.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,577
    Very nice.
    Is that interior black with Alcantara inserts?
    - Ray
    Ready for The Rest of The Story...
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    edited June 2012
    Thanks all. Appreciate the good wishes.

    How does it drive? I'll compare it to the 335i. Well, that really isn't fair, given you can change the driving characteristics with "Driver Select" on the S4. But, I left it in "Dynamic" mode on the drive back from Chicago, which is the most agressive tuning.

    Steering is lighter than the BMW at low speeds, but tightens up nicely and linearly as the speeds increase. A smidgeon less feel of the road at low speeds (like when parking), spot on feel at speed. Given the rear wheel drive bias, and the torque vectoring, there wasn't a speed I was afraid to attack a corner. I'm sure there were limits, but only because of the tires (which have high limits to begin with).

    The sales person (who was a huge enthusiast) suggested I test the "launch mode"....essentially, turning off trac control, rev the engine while foot is firmly on the brake, then release the brake. All 4 wheels hook up and WOW, I was literally launched, like a sling shot. Again, didn't have a stop watch. But, I would imagine if you're into stop light wars, unless you're staring at a 'vette, or a high buck exotic along side of you, you won't lose many of those.

    Flinging into a corner, the S-tronic shifts down with a blip to rev match and then powers out the other end as you exit. Impressive.

    As mentioned, it's more comfortable than my 335i, and has more room. Interior is gorgeous. Materials and build are all very high quality (even compared to my 335i, which isn't a slouch in that dept, at all).

    On a side note about tires, while we didn't buy the car we test drove, there was a difference between it, and the one we bought.......the tires. The test car had all season sports tires (Y rated). The one we eventually bought, had summer only tires. The GF, after driving both cars, decided she wanted the all seasons.

    The dealer agreed on the swap at no charge. Apparently, the all-seasons were a special order on a car in which the sale fell through. So, they were using it as a demo. But, it only had about 100 miles on it. I'm sure if you would track the car, you could tell the difference between the summer tires and the all-seasons. But, I couldn't.

    I mentioned previously, I got between 28-29 MPG on my 335i on all highway driving. There wasn't much in the way of break-in recommendations for the S4 in the manual (don't redline it or slam on the brakes in the first 500 miles). We cruised home to SW OH on a tankful, getting 26 MPG in the S4, on a green motor, driving anywhere from 70-80 MPH the entire way. That included some in-town, stop and go in the city, too. I'm thinking the S4 should match the 335i once the engine loosens up a bit.

    To be continued......
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    ray...it is black leather with alcantara (whatever that is) inserts. Really nice seats.
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