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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    I know we've gone through this before, but if you are doing alpha numerical names for your cars, do it right please! Infiniti (today) G37 = G w/ 3.7L engine is the right way to do it.

    IF this was true, then BMW has it all wrong... 328i has a 2L, X3 28i again has a 2L. 550i has a 4.4L and so forth.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,792
    Do they think it denotes Quality?

    Or, is it because no one else uses that letter?

    Makes me think of the Aztecs (Quetzlcoatl).. or is that the Incans? :confuse:

    Should have picked A.... or V... anything but Q

    I mean... Y? ;)

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    BMW has it ALL wrong. Since all the cars are turbo now, they should be:

    320i, 330i
    X3 2.0, X3 3.0
    520i, 530i, 545i (even if its a 4.4)
    X5 3.0, X5 4.5
    730i, 745i...

    MB mostly has it right (Except for the C300 4Matic which is actually powered by a 3.5L V6).

    Audi does it mostly ok, except for designating their Supercharged cars with a "T."

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    edited December 2012
    Do they think it denotes Quality?
    Or, is it because no one else uses that letter?


    Ahem.....what about the Audi Q3, Q5 and Q7 ?

    I guess, de Nysschen took it with him from Audi.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,510
    Well, using your key, C250 should also be called C180.

    BMWs naming convention is done on purpose. It is based on what a benchmark naturally aspirated engine should be to match its power. In other words, 328 has 2 liter turbo that has power similar to what a 2.8 liter NA engine could be tuned to, 335 has 3 liter turbo that a 3.5 liter NA engine, etc.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    edited December 2012
    Or, that the consumer/enthusiast has become accustomed to the number model like one would be to a name like (gulp), Malibu.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    Good to know. I didn't know there was any sort of method to BMW's madness.

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,900
    BMWs naming convention is done on purpose. It is based on what a benchmark naturally aspirated engine should be to match its power.

    Nah - the convention is strictly for marketing purposes so buyers don't feel penis envy when "non" BMW enthusiasts see 320 vs a 328 look down upon their lowly 2.0.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,792
    Ahem.....what about the Audi Q3, Q5 and Q7 ?

    Oh yeah... so... now I really don't get it... ;)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,792
    strictly for marketing purposes so buyers don't feel penis envy

    This.. :)

    BMW model designations used to make sense.. but, then too many engine choices, marketing attached to certain models, and it all got too complicated to keep it strictly correct.... Now, bigger numbers are faster and more expensive... .that's all you need to know (except for Ms, and every other Tuesday)

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  • I test drove both of these cars and found the Accord to blow the TSX away. They are both priced similarly, but I think the Accord can be had for $1 or $2K less than the TSX. The Accord has much much more power vs the TSX and better fuel economy with the cylinder deactivation on freeway. The Accord ride is refined yet it handles decently. The TSX ride is jittery. The TSX probably does handle better at the limit, but who drives like that anyway? The Accord is a 6 speed auto and TSX is 5 speed auto. The interior of the TSX is maybe a touch nicer, but with the Accord you get a backup camera without having to pay for NAV. With the TSX you have to get the NAV to get the backup camera. After comparing these I don't see any reason to buy the TSX. Am I missing something? I even think the 4 cylinder Accord is a much better value than the TSX.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,173
    Now take the same agrument and add the v6 accord and the standard tl. Same power - prob less refind but for the doh pretty similar I would guess. (Haveńt driven the new accord.)

    Acura is the new Buick of Lux cars. Yes I said it 4 years ago and I'll say it again
  • i haven't driven the tl either, but the specs between the v6 accord and the tl are pretty close. i do think the refreshed tl is a nice looking car, but totally overpriced. the SH AWD would be the tl to get but i have no use for AWD where I live. I do understand that the TSX is going to get dumped and there is going to be something called a TLX? Acura definitely needs to refresh these sedans with the introduction of the new 13 Accord.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,173
    The refreshed TL is better looking then it was - but for me personally its not enuf to get me salivating. Acura (honda) knew there was a problem with the TLs (dealers were telling them) from the beginning and they waited to long- they did not make the same mistake with the civic and quickly fixed the problem.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    First off I hope everybody had a good holiday.... It's been nice having 3 weeks off, this has allowed me to do come clinical work, at times I do miss bedside nursing.

    So as some of you or most of know I have had my 330i up for sale, I placed only on the web, and at a higher price then what normal 2005 330i ZPH cars have been selling for. Since I am not in a rush to sell it so I figured I would place a higher price on mine. It was listed for 23K, with only 59K miles on it. After 4 months and many phone calls mostly by people who were trying to get my lower it down to the high teens. I received a call right before we left for San Diego for Thanksgiving, between myself getting that bug going around, and the potential buyer getting sick it was tough to connect, however, we connected, we meet up at a local BMW dealer, I figured this was safe for all involved. The guy lets call him Tommy, was waiting for me at the dealership when I pulled up. We chatted a bit, and went for a test drive, after 30 minuted we came back tot he dealership, I had the service manage pull up all the service records and warranty work that had been on the car. I had all my paperwork with me with all the work done on the car from BMW, and Autobahn Autosport (our local Dinan Authorized Dealer.) He was impressed with the car and all the paperwork I had, I even had the German Plates from the Euro Del and paper work from the shipping company. We parted way, and I he told me he was going to call me before Xmas. So a week before Xmas received a call telling me that he wanted me car and he wanted to offer me 20K for it. I countered back with 21K and it was a deal. I have a pay pal account set up, so he paid for the car this way, once the money was in my account, we meet (today 12-27-12) and I signed the paperwork over to Tommy.

    I'm sort of sad that I sold my beloved 2005 BMW 330i with the ZPH package, however, I thought I did well with it, I bought it for $45K, and sold it for 21K. I added about 5K of Dinan products to the car.

    So now I'm carless, but this is OK, so I get to go looking at cars, Have my eye on a couple of 2008-09 Boxster S's...

    Anyhow, I hope everybody has a wonderful new years...
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,308
    FN....cool. I had an '06 330i before the TL and my current 335i. I never understood why BMW didn't use that version of the 3.0 (255 HP non turbo) in the 328i, instead of the previous 225 HP 6 cyl or the 240 HP 4cyl they currently use.

    A major snow storm hit my 'burg earlier in the week. Both the S4 and the 335i handled it with aplomb. It was very impressive given these cars' intended drivers.

    We never once felt the AWD systems (quattro in the S4, "x" in the 335i) doing their work, even in 6 inches of snow with an icy crust.

    Happy New Year to all of my friends here in ELLPS.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    Congrats on selling your beloved ZHP 330i. You enjoyed it for the time you had it and ended up getting pretty good money for it. I know you are sad to see it go, but as they say: "when one door closes, another one opens." I think you are going to have a blast looking for & buying a used Boxster. Keep us updated!

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    Graphic I can not answer that question the 255hp 3.0 was/is a great engine, it made 20 more HP then my car, I think BMW wanted a bigger different between the 328 and 335.

    I've been waiting to hear from you in regards to the snowstorm and the Audi..
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    So NYC how's the wagon handling the snow?
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,173
    flight congrats on the move to porshe - going to miss you on these forums- was actually on the website last night- love the new boxter s - very sharp.

    Remember to buckle up people - this weather = this time of year - roads are icy-- also remember to check tire pressure.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    You've got me confused with din001. He's got the Sport Pkg, Stick, 328i Wagon. I've got an E90 328xi sedan.

    But since you asked... My car handles absolutely brilliant in the snow. We just had a nasty 2-3" with an icy coating the other day. My car went on like it was 80 degrees and sunny. Yes I played around with it a little bit. I shut off the stability control and did some beautiful doughnuts in an empty doctor's office parking lot. I shut the stability control off again and did a power slide onto my street.

    I really do LOVE my car. It suits my needs perfectly. My 2 big problems are:

    1. My wife likes it too and complained to me last night that she doesn't get to drive it enough (implying I need to take her Pilot at least once a week).

    2. What I'm going to do when the lease is up. After 15,000 + miles in 9 months, I don't think I'm going to find anything that drives remotely like it (even at it's inflated residual value) when the lease is up.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,930
    instead of getting it at an inflated residual, you might do well with one of the other 400,000 2011s that will be coming off lease. May not be quite as loaded, but you could get (possibly) a much lower mile version CPO, for the same price as yours non-CPO. Getting on with 3 years/30K on it, means you would have another 3/70 warranty to play with, which should work with how you use it.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    It's actually funny how alike we think. I kinda had thoughts along the same line and started looking at prices of '08, '09, & '10 used & CPO cars after I posted my comment. I'm actually willing to take a less loaded car. Features that are a must are AWD, heated seats, 17" wheels (there are some 16"s on '09s & '10s that are horrible looking IMHO), Automatic, & Adaptive Xenon headlights.

    There will definitely be a TON of E90 328xis out there when my lease is up to choose from. Only 1 will be MINE though. But for a substantial discount with a CPO warranty, less mileage, & cheapo financing, I might have to look to another 3er (just don't tell my car).

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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,173
    edited December 2012
    "But for a substantial discount with a CPO warranty"

    I would go for any discount to your car to get the added protection of the cpo. Sure someone else drove the car before you but they also took car of the car with bmws "free" maintence plan like you are enjoying now. I also thing that cars will be easy to come by, a low mileage well equipped xi in the NYC area won't be hard to find. They are more common in town here then a ford. (All fords)

    The other thought would be to try to negotiate with the lender maybe there is flex on pricing- who knows. Can't believe you are worrying / talking about this now after just signing the lease.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I think you did well flightnurse Congrats!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    You are right about the fact that there are a ton of E90 328xis out there to choose from. I'll find the right one, for sure. You are also right about the fact that I shouldn't be worried about what's next considering I have another 21 months to go. It was just a thought that popped into my head at that particular moment.

    I'm definitely open to buying a CPO car that's a year or 2 older than my '11 with less miles to save a decent chunk of change compared to buying out my lease.

    We'll see what happens.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,930
    don't forget, if you are buying it out, you are just financing a used car. Often they have those deals on the CPO with super cheap rates, or they pay the first 3 payments.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,930
    but my BIL has a current generation BMW 550. Might be a 2010? Anyway, barely 25K on it, and tires are shot. To replace the OEM runflats was going to cost 2K. Ouch. Given that he hates the run flats anyway, he ordered a comparable normal tire, and that is going to only run about 1K, and likely have much better ride and handling characteristics. And for the savings, he will risk running without a spare! Just have to wait for the flatbed if the worst happens.

    I told him to just find a donut and a jack, and stash them in the trunk. I doubt that he ever uses the trunk anyway, so losing a little trunk space isn't going to matter.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756
    We're supposed to get about 5 inches of snow tomorrow. Should make for a fun drive home from work tomorrow afternoon.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,930
    down by philly we should just be getting rain.

    Just spent the holidays in upstate NY, so saw plenty of snow (we got about 12" Wednesday/Thursday). We came home tonight instead of tomorrow since odds are the drive down through the storm would have been a nightmare!

    Have to say though, in the little bit of snow driving (on a semi-plowed driveway) the RDX went through it like it was a drive road. The Odyssey, especially on the old tires, would have been slipping and sliding all over the place.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

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