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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • donniemdonniem Posts: 4
    Diesel prices are no better and my minds set on a new TL. Or possibly a used TL
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,652
    "...Diesel prices are no better..."

    but the mileage is.

    I'm not certain when the "new" TL is officially released, but I think it's being call an 09, so you may be able to get the existing model for a bargain.

    I haven't heard wonderful things regarding the TL mileage in the city; but I think the highway is reasonable
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I haven't heard wonderful things regarding the TL mileage in the city; but I think the highway is reasonable

    No car in this class has wonderful city mileage.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,206
    "No car in this class has wonderful city mileage."

    Well, I guess it's all relative, but my new TSX is getting 30 driving to work and 26 in stop-and-go surface street duty. On a recent drive to Tucson & back, it was at 33-34, and that's with a new, tight engine. I'm looking forward to a couple mpg better by the time I've got 10K on the motor.

    Compared to where I'm coming from, that's borderline wonderful.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Okay, how about "everything in this class except the TSX" since it is a 4-banger. Maybe I should throw the A4 2.0T into that group as well...
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Yeah but the 2.0T doesn't feel underpowered like the 2.4 in the TSX. :)

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Actually bgdc, you are right, the A4 2.0T is definitely not underpowered as the TSX. However, the turbo lag is just so craptacular so it's almost like pick your poison...
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    There's turbo lag on a 2.0T? Are you trying to launch the car at 1200 rpm?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Turbo lag on a 2.0T? Uhhh, I've gotta tell you, I owned a couple of 1980s vintage turbo charged cars and know very well what turbo lag is, and what ever it is, the 2.0T doesn't have it. Errr, well, I suppose you could induce turbo lag by sidestepping the clutch at a whopping 900 rpms, but come on, how real world is that?

    Best Regards,
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    There's turbo lag on a 2.0T?


    At least that's how I felt after having one for 2 weeks as a rental. The BMW 3.0TT is the one that eliminates about 99% of the turbo lag. Drive the 2 back to back then you'll understand.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Sorry, I've got to beg to differ. I've driven an A3 2.0T on several occasions and not once have I been tempted to say, "Gee, that turbo lag is annoying."

    Best Regards,
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Okay... I guess I am just more sensitive about the turbo lag than you are.

    What do you want me to do? Say that I am wrong and apologize? :)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,091
    I am a big proponent of diesels, but short term the prices are sky high. My driver had to fuel up our company truck today. He said he was very low and had to get fuel before going downtown (Manhattan). I thought my Dad was going to have a heart attack when he saw we paid $4.99/gallon for diesel!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,206
    ". . .how about "everything in this class except the TSX" since it is a 4-banger."

    Okay, I'm guilty. I don't care so much about acceleration, but I do like to go around corners. This is much of why I would have bought a 1.9 or 2.0 litre diesel anytime in the last several years, had one been available in an RWD or AWD car. Now that the 335d BMW is almost available (only with an automatic), I'm nonplussed. Buckets of power doesn't row my boat, especially if the car isn't available with a manual transmission.

    It may be interesting to some people that luxury (or something resembling it) and handling doesn't have to come with neck-snapping acceleration to qualify as "entry-level luxury."

  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    ...Is it known that the diesel model will have a manual option? It'd be nice if it does...
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,245
    Here is a cu from Automobile mag regarding a face lft for the 3'er and a ti option.

    The good stuff could start arriving as early as later this summer, with the face-lifted 2009 3-series. That car is under consideration for a tii version that, in addition to styling tweaks, would include M3 brakes, nineteen-inch wheels, a sport suspension, a dual-clutch transmission, and increased boost pressure that would bump the output of the 3.0-liter twin-turbo engine from 300 hp to about 355 hp.

    Sounds good to me. What do you think?

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I don't want more HP, I want less weight. :cry:
  • rascal99rascal99 Posts: 54
    Just give us the *&^%# 1-series hatchback already!!

  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Drop the heavy stuff - sunroof, 19 inch wheels, power seats, insulation, worthless gizmos (self drying brakes, dual hvac, auto windshield wipers) and finally ditch the metal fenders for plastics.Maybe they can get 150-200 lbs out of the car. Finally, ditch the inline 6 for a twin turbo 4, and lose another 200-300 lbs. Ah, now you've got a fun sedan at 3100 lbs.
  • rascal99rascal99 Posts: 54

    I propose BMW spawn a separate (tii) division that caters to lighter, funner cars; howeber, that would undoubtedly be seen as *gasp* "diluting the brand".
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