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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @andys120 said: Pretty limited choice of colors! Three shades of grey (including black sapphire metallic which is really a very dark grey), two whites, a red that's not as vibrant as the old Imola Red and an odd blue.

    My three fave are Mineral White, Estoril Blue and Black Sapphire. I like that BMW brought back the Oyster Interior. For 2013 BMW really screwed up on the sport and M sport interior colors...

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376

    @flightnurse said:

    Funny you posted this; I was messing around with the Volvo site a few days ago building a V60. I like the idea, but imagine its going to be small in person when it comes to cargo space.

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876

    @flightnurse - glad you finally made it! I happened to be trawling some old BMW lease posts today and came across your previous posts, and thought, "wonder what happened to him?" And here you are! Welcome back. Your assigned profile pic is goofy. :)

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @tifighter said:Funny you posted this; I was messing around with the Volvo site a few days ago building a V60. I like the idea, but imagine its going to be small in person when it comes to cargo space.

    The article stated it is bigger then a Jetta Sportwagon, the BMW wagon is slight smaller then the previous V70. Only time well tell.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @Kirstie@Edmunds said: flightnurse - glad you finally made it! I happened to be trawling some old BMW lease posts today and came across your previous posts, and thought, "wonder what happened to him?" And here you are! Welcome back. Your assigned profile pic is goofy. :)

    Thanks Kristie, the pic was assigned by Edmunds... It's good to be back.

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376

    @flightnurse which is funny because British reviews say the V60 has less cargo volume than the 3 wagon or the A4 Avant. Different measurement methods perhaps.

    Better question is, will label-conscious shoppers buy Volvo at all when they start coming from over the other ocean?

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @tifighter said: flightnurse which is funny because British reviews say the V60 has less cargo volume than the 3 wagon or the A4 Avant. Different measurement methods perhaps.

    Better question is, will label-conscious shoppers buy Volvo at all when they start coming from over the other ocean?

    Wasn't that said about VW being built in Mexico, most buyers aren't aware of this, of course you will have the die hard fans who will know this. Time will tell.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,818

    @flightnurse said: Wasn't that said about VW being built in Mexico, most buyers aren't aware of this, of course you will have the die hard fans who will know this. Time will tell.

    On another forum, this topic came up. Some people claim that BMW dealers have to discount South African built 3's much more than German built ones. Any truth to that from the experts here?

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    edited January 19

    BMW makes cars in Africa and are discounted more here as a result? I wonder if most know how labor actually is perceived in Germany?

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @robr2 said: On another forum, this topic came up. Some people claim that BMW dealers have to discount South African built 3's much more than German built ones. Any truth to that from the experts here?

    No So African built 3 series are sold in the States.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,679
    edited January 19

    Our 2003 3-Series was assembled in South Africa. I don't recall it being worth any less.. ;-)

    IIRC, most of the 325i models destined for the U.S. were assembled in SA, while the 330 models mostly came from Germany.. (then....no idea about now). I haven't heard anyone mention it, in years..

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,623

    Both my older Bimmers (2000-5er) 001-3er have s/ns beginning w a W (Germany).

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,818

    @flightnurse said: No So African built 3 series are sold in the States.

    BMW SA exports about 40K 3 series to North America and is increasing production for export according to some articles I've seen.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,577

    I'm not sure where my car was built & its too damn cold outside to go & check;).

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,482
    edited January 20

    My 2009 E90 328i is an SA car.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,637

    @roadburner said: My 2009 E90 328i is an SA car.

    Is it really, interesting, mine was built in Germany.

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,500
    edited January 20

    My 2012 328 wagon was built in Munich. Since it was European Delivery, it would make no sense for them to build one in SA, move it to Munich, let me pick it up and then move it to the US again.

    I really doubt the amount of discount has anything to do with country of assembly for majority of deals. I suppose once in a while there may a customer who will complain and may receive a "consolation" discount, but I don't think those are statistically significant events.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458

    My guess is a fair number of BMW buyers don't know which wheels drive the car and very few have a clue about where they are built.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,855

    @stickguy said: My guess is a fair number of BMW buyers don't know which wheels drive the car and very few have a clue about where they are built.

    Aside from pickup truck buyers in Michigan and Ohio, I don't think very many people care where their vehicles are built. I don't think they'd even know where to LOOK to find out.

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376
    edited January 20

    So, would any of you buy a new Chinese-built BMW?

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458

    @tifighter said: So, would any of you buy a new Chinese-built BMW?

    I would not buy any car made in China.. But I bet a lot of people will without even realizing it at some point.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,500
    edited January 20

    @tifighter said: So, would any of you buy a new Chinese-built BMW?

    Would you buy Chinese-built Nike shoes? North Face parka?
    Would you buy Chinese-built iPad? Would you buy Chinese-built Kitchen Aid refrigerator? I don't know if any of those things are made in China right now (except iPad), but I bet they either used to before going to even cheaper place (like Vietnam or Bangladesh), or their close competitors are currently made in China.

    BTW, I may be wrong, but I don't think BMW currently makes its cars in China - they make some specifically FOR Chinese market. They probably source some components (who doesn't?), I'm sure, but not so regarding cars themselves.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,855

    @tifighter said: So, would any of you buy a new Chinese-built BMW?

    I would as long as BMW is in charge of building it, training the workers, setting up the work environment, and sourcing the critical parts.

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376
    edited January 21

    @dino001 I understand that most things are made in China. My question is would YOU buy a BMW made in China?

    I posted an article above in which the head of Volvo says that Chinese-made Volvos will be exported to the US market soon. I think this, rightly or wrongly, could be an issue for Volvo and euro-brand buyers. Since the subsequent posts spoke of where BMW's were made, I modified it a bit to get a sense of reaction.

    But the fact remains that Chinese-made Euro-branded cars are coming soon to the US. My question remains for everyone. BMW seems a favorite brand here; if the cars available at your dealer were Chinese-made, would you buy one?

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,482

    I'd wait a while and let a few other buyers serve as beta testers...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,577

    @MrShift@Edmunds and @roadburner

    I agree with you. The cars won't be Chinese designed BMWs. All of the crucial parts will still be designed & manufactured elsewhere. BMW isnt going to allow cheap Chinese manufactured steel to be used in its chassis or cheap chinese aluminum to fabricate its engine blocks. The factories are becoming more and more automated. Maybe it will make the cars more affordable.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,500
    edited January 21

    @tifighter

    My point was that if we accept other items made in China by upscale branded manufacturers, it is easy to imagine cars, too. The key is production control. If Sony, Nike, or others can do it, so could BMW, if they so desired. And yes, I would buy one, if I there was a good data supporting it was same quality.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,262

    @stickguy said: My guess is a fair number of BMW buyers don't know which wheels drive the car and very few have a clue about where they are built.

    Amen.

    I would amend your statement to replace "buyers" with "drivers." Many/most lease.

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,262
    edited January 21

    I would buy a diesel-powered BMW with a manual transmission sold in North America, regardless of where it's put together. Oh, it should also have real tires and a dipstick.

    Or, I could flap my arms and fly to the moon.

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