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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,951

    That's excellent... stick or slushbox?

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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648
    edited May 7

    Lamborghini Aventador crashes in Monaco!

    With the talk about crash cars and such, I figured I would post this. I have a feeling the cost to repair this will exceeded 20K

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    I was able to average about 29 MPG travelling to Sacramento and back down to San Diego again. That includes miserable LA traffic. The S4 with the 7-speed dual clutch is the best drivetrain for my money. Love that mileage because I drive 80+ where possible.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

    @andres3 amazing in comfort you can hover 80 and have the rpm under 2k - makes for a nice highway cruse

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    @sweendogy said: andres3 amazing in comfort you can hover 80 and have the rpm under 2k - makes for a nice highway cruse

    Maybe they changed the gearing for 2014's.... at 76.5 MPH I'm at 2K RPM in 7th Gear. At 80 just a smidge above, maybe 2,100-2,150.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,782

    Switching gears to the current crop of ELLPS. I'm starting to see more and more MB CLAs & a few Audi A3s on the road. The CLA definitely has the "Look at me, I'm driving a Mercedes" look going for it. While the Audi is much more conservatively styled. I actually like the way the Audi looks. This new breed of ELLPS v 2.0 definitely keeps one well within the confines of a mid $30K price range which is great because the price point has definitely escalated of the traditional ELLPS since this discussion started.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,072

    After checking out both at the auto show, I vastly prefer the Audi. And the 320i BMW over the Benz.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,689

    Same here, I was a bit underwhelmed by the CLA. Thought the A3 to be a handsome devil, however. A3 was on a pedestal at the NEIAS, so I could only admire from afar...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @andres3 said: Maybe they changed the gearing for 2014's.... at 76.5 MPH I'm at 2K RPM in 7th Gear. At 80 just a smidge above, maybe 2,100-2,150.

    For me at 80, I'm about 2150 also, Rick in the Genesis is about 2275 at 80. Now my vette at 80 was at 1750. At a 100 it was 2100...

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @nyccarguy said: Switching gears to the current crop of ELLPS. I'm starting to see more and more MB CLAs & a few Audi A3s on the road. The CLA definitely has the "Look at me, I'm driving a Mercedes" look going for it. While the Audi is much more conservatively styled. I actually like the way the Audi looks. This new breed of ELLPS v 2.0 definitely keeps one well within the confines of a mid $30K price range which is great because the price point has definitely escalated of the traditional ELLPS since this discussion started.

    I don't think CLA is really going to work as well as Audi A3 or 320i. It has the looks, but that is about it. Haven't seen any in Phoenix or Tuscon, but in San Diego, I was surprised on how many I see.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

    @flightnurse - you have an s4? Or is that the 320? The corvette might the perfect sports car for the modern age- it runs with anything - is cheap - 55k for 450 plus hp and 29 mpg highway - sick

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    Hey Graphic what is the TL running? It's in my BMW.

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,364

    FN....I'll have to look. Not quite sure what RPMs it runs at 80 MPH. I know the last road trip I took from Cincinnati to Chicago (with a little in town driving-10%) I netted 28 MPG (manual calculations). Buzzing around town, I get about 21-22 MPG.

    I've seen a couple of CLAs around here. They're lookers. Sat in one at the local auto show. Not bad, but I wonder if an Accord doesn't have a nicer interior?

    A3....a looker also. S3, probably more my speed (literally). Still trying to get over my S4 experience, though.

    Still anxious to see the new TLX in the flesh.

    And, NYC, I do agree. The ELLPS that are hitting the streets (CLA, A3, 320i, etc) are, generally speaking, an exciting bunch, given their price points.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    Graphic, when it comes to cars brand means a lot. Look at Hyundai, Rick's Genesis is a perfect example. It has the same content as a E class and 5 Series and the price is that of a mid level 3 series. The ride is on par with a Lexus GS, but it does not have the star on the hood or the roundel. So people could get a Accord over a CLA but wont.

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    edited May 15

    I took my S4 in for the 5,000 mile service (oil change and tire rotation) at Audi Escondido yesterday afternoon. I'm supposed to pick it up this afternoon, but they said with all the fires going on around San Diego County, one of them is close enough to them that they have been ordered to evacuate; so another day and night without the S4 it'll be. I halfway have my fingers crossed the whole place will burn down so my diminished value claim will be eliminated and I can just get a new S4 :)

    The 1,000 deductible will likely be less than my depreciation and diminished value losses, even after getting a check for diminished value, which could take a while with the speed of Mercury's decision makers.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    Andres3 I was just in San Diego the flight out, I was in awe at all of the fires.. I'm hoping people will be safe. I remember the fires that Mt Laguna had in 1970 we could see the red/orange glow at night..

    San Diego has had it's share of fires...

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,364
    edited May 16

    @flightnurse said: Graphic, when it comes to cars brand means a lot. Look at Hyundai, Rick's Genesis is a perfect example. It has the same content as a E class and 5 Series and the price is that of a mid level 3 series. The ride is on par with a Lexus GS, but it does not have the star on the hood or the roundel. So people could get a Accord over a CLA but wont.

    FN....I think over time, and having had a fair amount of cars in my driving lifetime, it becomes clearer to me in seeing, feeling, and experiencing differences in cars. I'd be hard pressed to pick a CLA over a loaded Accord for less money.....especially given on just about every metric you use, the Accord seems to be the better car.

    As you note, however, perception is reality many times. The Genesis is a perfect example of that. I've yet to hear anyone state they went from the Mercedes or BMW dealership over to the Hyundai store to cross shop the 5/E/Genesis. On top of that, the new Genesis is quite the looker in its own right.

    BTW...was on the interstate last night. Got the TL up to 80 MPH. It was turning right around 2,100 RPM. While driving last night, I was thinking having had the twin scroll turbo in the BMW and the S/C in the Audi, while not as fast, the 3.7L in the TL spurs on quite well, and sounds expensive to boot.

    Andres....stay safe!!!!!!!

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @graphicguy said: As you note, however, perception is reality many times. The Genesis is a perfect example of that. I've yet to hear anyone state they went from the Mercedes or BMW dealership over to the Hyundai store to cross shop the 5/E/Genesis. On top of that, the new Genesis is quite the looker in its own right.

    Rick is a Realtor, his main clientele are people looking to purchase houses in the 500,000 to a Mill homes. Most are driving MB, BMW, Audi, Jag's etc,, When he take them out in his car, they are all impressed with the Genesis on fit and finish, ride and comfort. Now has he turned any of them to sell their cars for a Genesis, I doubt it. The people who can afford these cars have been buying them for years. Mark is a perfect example, he is an Audi guy, I doubt he ever looked at a Genesis before buying his S4. This doesn't mean those who have bought a Genesis didn't have a MB or BMW in the past.

    We all know that MB, BMW, Audi want the younger buyer, so if they are looking at a fully loaded Accord, then buying a A3 or 320 is within their reach...

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

    On the accord / cla comments - I was also very vocal in the past as accord better then tsx and entre TL- I would Also say its prob better in v6 loaded form then the overly cheap 320- or as bmw likes to call it the leaser dream-

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @sweendogy said: On the accord / cla comments - I was also very vocal in the past as accord better then tsx and entre TL- I would Also say its prob better in v6 loaded form then the overly cheap 320- or as bmw likes to call it the leaser dream-

    Mind showing where BMW has called the 320 a "leaser dream"? I highly doubt they ever called it that...

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    I like the TL, but I think the 3.7L needs a bit more juice. It's a fine engine, but I feel the weight of the TL and the larger engine when driving it. Also, the 6-speed auto seems like an antique, but it appears your real world mileage has bested the EPA estimates????

    The main two problems I had with the TL were:

    1) The exterior looks and style (or lack thereof) 2) The interior button layout and too many little buttons.

    If they listen to my recipe, they'll have a real winner:

    1. Boost HP and Torque 10-15%
    2. Drop 300 lbs.
    3. Fix the styling.
    4. Better button quantity and layout.
    5. More color selection (and better colors)
    6. Boost EPA mileage 15%
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

    "Mind showing where BMW has called the 320 a "leaser dream"? I highly doubt they ever called it that..." Bmw would never call it that, true they want you to think that you are getting a great lux car - 269 a month with 3k down for 36m/30k miles. Seems sweet until you see the lack of technology, power, lux vs a honda accord.

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    Worse still the 320 means you are likely getting a "lame" loaner car as a courtesy vehicle while getting your "free" BMW maintenance done.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @andres3 said: Worse still the 320 means you are likely getting a "lame" loaner car as a courtesy vehicle while getting your "free" BMW maintenance done.

    Interesting comment coming from someone who never owned a BMW, just for the record, my loaner was a 328d, which had M sport package. The dealership I deal with had X1's, 328i, 328d's and a few X5's. No 320i's as loaners.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @sweendogy said: "Mind showing where BMW has called the 320 a "leaser dream"? I highly doubt they ever called it that..." Bmw would never call it that, true they want you to think that you are getting a great lux car - 269 a month with 3k down for 36m/30k miles. Seems sweet until you see the lack of technology, power, lux vs a honda accord.

    The 320i is an entry level into a premium brand, just like the A3 is, however, the real difference is, the 320i isn't a smaller car like the A3 or CLA. It's the same F30 as the 328i which means you get a real back seat for two adults, something that the Audi and MB can not claim. This is what is setting BMW apart from Audi and BMW.

    When it comes to leasing, the unknown will take the 3K down and $269/m deal, since if they went to a toyota dealer that is what they would have leased a Camry LE for.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,179

    We get the320 is a 3 series, I remember Infiniti had a g25 at one point- that didn't last for long. bmw is set apart because its competitive leases, not nothing more

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