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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Well, most folks around here know I'll talk about e30's all day long. Unfortunately, it's not the topic of this thread.

    So, will the 1-series M qualify as the best ELLPS (I know, it's a coupe, but in a 3-box sort of way) on the planet? It's definitely piqued my interest.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    The base model with manual is 3208lbs. A little weight trimming and a few aftermarket mods and you're looking at probably 3100lbs without too much expense.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,300
    It's definitely piqued my interest.

    I came very close to ordering a a 2011 128i, optioned to my specs(M Sport Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, Harman-Kardon audio, keyless entry, and xenons). Manual leather seats and no hole in the roof. My dealer was offering $2000 off MSRP. With BMW's $1500 Holiday cash and my $500 CCA rebate I was looking at @$32000+TTL. Good deal, but I kept thinking what I could buy used for similar money, such as a Z4 M Coupe or a Cayman. I'd have the same dilemma with the 1er M Coupe- for $47,000 I can get a CPO E9x M3 or better yet, a pristine 2005 0r 2006 E46 M3 ZCP(and have plenty of cash left over for a Brembo kit, pads, and track tires).

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Or an 06 or 07 CPO Porsche 997...
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,300
    Or an 06 or 07 CPO Porsche 997...

    Yeah, that too... ;)

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    As I mentioned several days ago, conversation about this vehicle belongs in Mainstream Large Sedans. You are welcome to continue talking about it there.

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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    understood - you missed a bunch of maxima posts from last week..
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    No I didn't - that's what prompted my note earlier this week. You're just a few days behind, that's all. :)

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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    i'm behind your right- but 823-827 would have been interesting chatter.. love the new edmunds, nice work with the redu
  • I might get bet up about this here but has anyone considered the G25X instead of the 37X?
    The 25x is about 4k cheaper and if you can do without the xtra HP of the 37x it might be a good way to get into the car new, if you can do without some of the 37's options not available on the 25.You also gain about 2 xtra miles per gallon on the 25.
    Just something I was considering and thought others may have also??
    I say the X because I live in the N East and would want it for the winter.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Well, the biggest problem I have with the G25 is the lack of certain features at its price point that Infiniti decided to charge for it. I think the TSX I4 with tech is a much better option at the same price point plus your getting a nav system in that vehicle. The mpg of the G25 is not really that great considering it is only 1mpg better in city/highway miles compared to a RWD G37. It should be a lot better than 1mpg considering the difference in engines between a G37 and G25.

    Plus, the deals people have been reporting on the G37 and G25 are not that much different from one another. The G37 is not that much more per month and your getting a heck of a lot more car for the money with the G37 then you are with the G25.

    The G25 basically serves the purpose of getting people into the Infiniti brand without too much bells and whistles about it. I still fee the G37 is a much better buy over the G25, obviously for the sport enthusiast as well.
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 317
    I don't understand why my post was censored. I quoted right from Edmond's page that the NM was worthy of comparison. The discussion was interesting and informative to any one looking at a ELLPS. It ran it's course and the thread will move on. Looking beyond the box never hurt anyone when shopping for a vehicle. I thought Edmonds was better than this

    I just saw Motor trend uses as a gauge the snobbery factor to judge as in the G25 article linked here. Are we dealing with that here?

    I frequent the "Toyota on the mend" thread and all topics are allowed to be discussed over there, I guess that's where I'm coming from. Maybe a different moderator?

    Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, something I fought for.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited January 2011
    Like it or don't, believe it or not, you have absolutely zero right to "free speech" on any and every private forum, this one included.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,300
    Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, something I fought for.

    The First Amendment does not apply to private internet forums. Start your own board if you want to discuss anything you like- that's what a bunch of us did almost one decade ago...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    If you can live without the extra options that the 37 offers, then by all means, take the 25. Considering that there's virtually NO difference between the cars besides the badges and the engines (same suspension, brakes, steering, and interior appointments), and driving impressions seem to be positive despite the lower HP, it's a good deal to get into an Infiniti instead of settling for a FWD TSX IMO.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    edited January 2011
    This is entirely accurate. A simple reading of the Constitution, rather than a re-phrasing of what one believes it to say, will provide illumination. Freedom of speech allows you the liberty to say whatever you want, without at the same time obligating ANYONE to provide you with a venue in which to say it.

    However, anyone who is truly committed to changing this can take the first step with me - We can drop by your friend's or relative's house (better yet... the boss!), stone drunk, with my accordion, and sit on their porch singing show tunes all night to proclaim our newly-defined right to Freedom of Speech. :)

    I joke, but the fact is that our topic-oriented discussions are just that. We allow you to discuss any vehicle-related topic that might be of interest - we just require that you do so in a discussion about that vehicle. New and old members alike should have some reasonable expectation that the majority of conversation centers around the topic in the discussion title, and/or around the vehicles listed in the discussion header. Some of the discussions in Auto News are looser and more fluid. Sedans discussions are vehicle(s)-specific.

    I have, at least twice, pointed to a perfectly good discussion to talk about the Maxima (plus there are Maxima-specific discussions). No reason that conversation can't be continued there, unless of course there's not enough interest, which would mean there's... just not enough interest in general. It's pretty clear that the Maxima does not, at this time, qualify as an ELLPS.

    And of course you are perfectly allowed to start your own message board - not every Forum style suits every person, and there is no One True Forum. Lots of people frequent a variety of fora, on a variety of topics. That's cool. Hey, we even started an Off-Topic board a few years ago, recognizing that sometimes people just want to chat about stuff other than cars. I think we've actually become more flexible over the past few years... who'd have thought we'd be swapping recipes, book and movie recommendations, political views, and travel ideas on a car site?

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  • I considered it too and found out that in real world G37 costs slightly more than G25 (like may 36K vs 33K). Its up to you what do you prefer, but if you are going to shell out 30 grands anyway does couple of grands make any difference? My only problem with G is that it is tight inside and looks cartoonish and misproportioned at the same time. But I am going to compare it to Regal 2.0T anyway. Acura ugliness keeps me away from it. Regal is European car and may be unreliable, thats my concern. What else. Volvo S60 - good reviews but even tighter than G and overpriced and I did not like interior, and not good reliability record either. I commute a lot so miles pile up quickly and if my car keeps breaking down often it is not okay, so CC and A4 go out of window too. Japanese better outsource designs to California studious otherwise there is almost nothing to consider.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited January 2011
    Wow, there are so many things in your post that I either don't agree with or just don't understand.

    G is tight inside? You do know this is the ELLPS thread, right? All of these sedans are small. If you need space, you should be shopping in another segment.

    Regal a European car? Sort of. The Buick Regal is the American version of the Opel Insignia, which is built by Opel, a GM owned company. There are lots of fine "European" American cars (Holden Commodore, Ford Mondeo, Vauxhall Monaro, Opel Vectra), but to imply they might be unreliable because they are European is just ridiculous.

    Volvo S60 small and unreliable? Again, what's all this "unreliable European car" talk? I have owned many European cars over the years and didn't find them any more or less reliable than any other car. And how does the S60 have a poor reliability record when this is the first model year? And again, why do you think the S60 is tight? You do know Volvo also has something called the S80 for people who want more space, right?

    CC and A4 out the window too? Really, I assume they break down too much also?

    Japanese cars need California design? So, the G37 is ugly and so is the TL and TSX I assume?

    You do realize that you've eliminated every car in this discussion thread, right? May I suggest you start a new thread entitled, "ELLPS BRAG" (Entry-Level Luxury Performance Sedans that are Big Reliable And Good-looking).
  • I am sorry but I expressed my opinion, you can disagree with me and be entitled to your own, but I will spend my hard earned money as I find appropriate and will buy whatever fits best my budget, tastes and requirement no matter what other people think about it.
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