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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • pr2azpr2az Posts: 1
    Considering and comparing 2012 TL, C300 and G37X. Based on performance and reliability what are the general impressions and thoughts. Should we be considering another vehicle as well? This would probably be a lease.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,577
    How 'bout the 3-Series BMW?
  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    The run flat tires are a deal breaker for me. I recently drove the 328xi and the X3. Both were very nice.

    Most posters say the run flats are loud, expensive, and do not handle as well as non run flats. Most dealerships and tire stores do not stock run flats. If you get a flat tire, you can drive it 100 or so miles but it then must be replaced, not repaired. If you are several hundred miles from home, especially on a weekend, you will be stranded for up to 3 days waiting for the expensive tire to arrive at the dealer or tire store. You can change the tires to non run flats, but the storing of a spare could be problematic since no space is alloted for a spare.

    I would rate the G37 first of the ones you mentioned. Great handling, good looking, and very reliable. The TL would be the last vehicle I'd buy. I've owned 2 Acuras but never again. The C class is nice but reliabilty problems are a concern.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,141
    edited August 2011
    I like the G37X, but the horrible mileage is tough to live with. My G35X could never get above 21mpg.

    I'm curious, though, why the G37X vs the C300? A closer comparison would be the G25 vs C300 or C350 vs G37.

    Personally, if AWD is a must, I'd be looking at the S60, too.

    No big, heavy FWD sedans for me.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,577
    Infinitis are what your say, and I would add so-so gas mileage and loud engine ("exhaust note") from a start, to the point of being intrusive.....still overall not a bad choice If I were to acquire a new or late model Infiniti, I'd lease rather than buy though.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,393
    It all depends on your driving style & what is important to you (performance, style, interior comfort, features, trunk space, rear passenger space, driving dynamics...). Especially if you are leasing, all the cars you mentioned will be covered by their respective factory warranties for the duration of your lease (& probably beyond). Reliability should pretty much a non-issue.

    Mercedes has been running some insanely cheap lease deals lately. Especially on leftover 2011 C300 4Matics (the most popular C around here).

    I'm a pretty big fan of Hondas. We own 3. Yes the TL is nose heavy & is front wheel drive, but Acuras drive pretty nice. They are "sporty." They are far from floaty, but very comfortable. Interior appointments are fantastic, it offers generous front & rear accomodations, a decent sized trunk, lots of tech for the dollar.

    Im curious as to why the OP is checking out the G37 as opposed to the G25 as well. The G37X is a bonafide road rocket. You get 326 hp and a proper RWD chassis. Even though the X denotes AWD, it is still RWD most of the time. Infiniti has some seriously good factory backed leasing. Coupled with a $1000 dealer incentive (not customer incentive) & 2% holdback, you can lease one very cheap.

    How good is the G37X? I'm trying to convince my wife that we should dump our perfectly good 2010 TSX (bought 8/29/09) with 39K miles and 3 years left to payoff so I can lease the G37X & save $100 a month as opposed to driving the TSX until the wheels fall off.

    Definitely check out the BMW 328i. The 3 series is a fantastic driver's car. Very sharp reflexes. Excellent driving dynamics. It is a little tight in the back seat & the trunk is tiny too.

    Good luck & keep us posted with what you get.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    I would agree that the mileage on the G 37 is not great but you are driving a forced induction muscle car of sorts. On the expressway, I get 23 mpg.

    We have a 04 G35X and a 07 G35X. The exhaust on the 2004 is definitely loud but I hardly notice the exhaust on the newer 2007. I notice the exhaust more now that I replaced the tires with Michelins on the 04. There is a clear difference in the newer Gs re the exhaust sound. You may not even notice the exhaust on the new Gs.

    I will probably buy an EX35 soon. I want something small with folding seats. Some consider this a G37 with a little more storage. The EX is something to consider even though it is technically not a sedan but the smallest crossover on the market. Infiniti has some nice incentives now.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,141
    it is not forced induction, FYI. Forced induction means supercharger or turbocharger, of which the G37 has neither.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    You are correct. I misspoke re the forced induction. I've read numerous posts re forced induction mods on the G.

    I guess I meant to say that the G is a beast even without forced induction which several competitors use such as the BMW 335.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Posts: 216
    Not driving a 3 series because of the tires is ludicrous.

    Get an 08 or 09 335i.
  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    The abilities and liabilities of the tires are pretty important to most.

    There is no room for a spare in the X3 if you switch out the tires to non run flats.

    The interior of the current 3 series is very dated but the X3 interior is a huge improvement.

    There are many posters on the BMW sites that do not care for the run flats, although some do like the fact that they generally won't have to change a flat tire. Getting stranded if you are out of state is a big concern in addition to the noise and poorer handling.

    That being said, I love the handling of the current 3 series. I actually considered the E91 until I saw the interior. It also has run flats.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I totally understand about those BMW run-flats. All the German companies are ruining their cars...

    I was all set to get a Porsche 911 until I noticed that the passenger side windshield wiper arm was an inch too short. :cry:
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    You do realize that there are these places called "tire stores?"
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,393
    Hey fedlawman! Good to see you are still around my friend.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    I checked several national tire stores in my area and none stock the runflats. According to several posters on the BMW sites, most dealerships do not stock them.

    So if you don't travel out of state you're ok with the run flats.

    I guess you didn't do your homework researching this. Please go ahead and buy a car with run flats. Take some reading material with you if you go out of state because you may get stranded.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Who said anything about buying run-flats?

    Replace the run-flats with a proper set of Michelin Pilot Sports.

    Buy a donut spare or a can of fix-a-flat for the trunk.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    You too NYC!

    By the way, don't get the G - too much of a lateral move from the Acura, IMHO :blush:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662
    Me too...what's up with the Germans...

    I was all ready to sign for my new 911 and they didn't have a license plate holder...I turned around and walked out.
  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    I may have mistakenly thought you were advocating run flats.

    Another poster implied that German car companies other than BMW use run flats often. In fact, few other than BMW use only run flats. Porsche had them years ago on the 959.

    This site has arguments both ways for the run flats but the majority of these owners are against the use of them

    I considered taking the run flats off a new X3 if I purchased one but there is no convenient place for the spare except taking up space in the smallish space behind the rear seat.

    They are loud, do not handle as well in the opinion of many, cost almost double, do not last as long and if is difficult to find them in stock.

    Car makers should make the run flats optional.

    I like the G37 of all the fine cars mentioned here. It's probably the least expensive, has the great VQ engine, is good looking, handles well, is reliable, and is rear wheel drive (or all wheel drive). The ride of the TL is a different type of ride which I do not like. I've owned several Acuras but will never even consider these again due to their ongoing transmission issues.

    My second choice would be a current 3 series but I would ditch the run flats as soon as they wear out.....probably around 15,000. I'd replace them with Michelins. The donut spare could fit in the trunk.
  • 22332233 Posts: 65
    Your Porsche "analogy" is weak and poorly researched.

    None of the current Porsches come with run flat tires.

    I wonder why this German company stopped using them?
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