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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    Was doing a search for a MB W126 and I came across information on the ordering guide on the MY 15 C Class interesting reading.

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597

    @flightnurse said: Was doing a search for a MB W126 and I came across information on the ordering guide on the MY 15 C Class interesting reading.

    If there was a hybrid or diesel model I'd be interested; looks nice.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @carnaught said: If there was a hybrid or diesel model I'd be interested; looks nice.

    I am surprised that they have brought over oil burner myself. Wondering if they are waiting for mid year release or MY 16. I think the currently 2.1l d is too much for the C class..

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    I was wondering and doing a search on the nissan A35. Seems like Nissan has forgotten its roots. Maybe turbo 4 / 300hp awd,or diesel awd with stick option would be cool- but I'm dreaming. Looks like 2016 for those who care.

    A35=maxima for those not up on car codes.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    @flightnurse said: What been the outcome in getting the insurance company to give you diminished value on your car?

    I finally stopped being cheap and hired the collision claims consultants that were recommended to me for a professional unbiased independent diminished value appraisal that finally happened mid-August. It refutes the DV appraisal Mercury (at fault insured's company) paid for where they claimed my car sustained no structural damage (what about pulling an upper right rail isn't structural)? claimed it could be a certified used Audi still (no dealer I talked to seems eager to Certify a $22K+ repair billed S4. Car Max saw bolts spun on the hood and fender and that was enough for them to only offer wholesale price at $37K. They claimed they'd wholesale it, but part of me thinks they'd turn around and list it for $10K more at $47K.

    Based on their "outside the ballpark of reality" DV report, Mercury only offered $1K for DV. They upped it to 1.5K in a fake attempt to settle the claim.

    I've now sent my demand based on a "REAL" report that seems to be in the ball park of reality at $8850 DV amount. Plus the $445 fee and the $2,400 for rental car and insurance deductible expenses. I know they only have a $10K pot to pay out, so I'll settle for $10K total. They just want to delay this claim forever, and their tactics to frustrate me worked. I should of hired this DV Appraisal company from the beginning; I was wasting time without their help.

    I now have 20 boiler plate letters to refute the predictable excuses and false claims/reasons they can't pay my demand. It's kind of hilarious the letters I received answer and refute some of the BS reasons I've already been given.

    Each letter gives them 15 days to respond in writing which is more than reasonable. I predict they will offer to split the difference between their $1K DV report and my 8.8K DV report. One of the 20 letters is ready to go on that excuse. Their report is just so inaccurate, and the CarMax appraisal will help show that if need be.

    Could take 4 to 5 more letters going back and forth before I get paid, or worst case scenario, I have to take them to small claims court for $10K. The thing is these letters help build a "bad faith lawsuit/claim" if they refuse to pay up, so maybe a lawyer would take my case at that point. No lawyers seemed interested in talking to me over a potential $15K property damage claim.

    Next time someone hits me my neck and back is going to hurt a lot.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,648

    @andres3 said: Could take 4 to 5 more letters going back and forth before I get paid, or worst case scenario, I have to take them to small claims court for $10K. The thing is these letters help build a "bad faith lawsuit/claim" if they refuse to pay up, so maybe a lawyer would take my case at that point. No lawyers seemed interested in talking to me over a potential $15K property damage claim.

    Next time someone hits me my neck and back is going to hurt a lot.

    The insurance industry at times have created business to help those who are bring screwed by them... Most of the time if you have enough proof of "bad faith" and file a law suit in small claims court, the insurance company will pay up, the last thing they want to do is go in front of a judge and explain to them why they haven't paid the claim.

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,317

    Andres....man, that really is a hassle. I know I'd be steamed, as I'm sure you are.

    Sounds like you have enough evidence right now to take them to small claims court. Expect them to ask for a delay. Get them on the 2nd trip. Should be done with a check in hand within 60 days.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,279

    They may offer an arbitration. If so, you and your appraiser should be VERY careful whom you choose--in most cases, do not accept the arbitrator offered by the insurance company. Corruption is rife in this business.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,674

    I'm surprised you can't find an attorney to take the case. In most states the insurance bad faith statutes provide for recovery of attorney's fees.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    Just read that Infiniti is going to bring back hydraulic steering to the Q50s because so many complaints about electric assist. Wonder if anyone would consider it?
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176

    Sneak peak at the new 1 series. Going to be interesting to see bmw takes on the other German who launched early.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-bmw-1-series-sedan-spy-photos-future-cars

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,093
    edited September 8

    When I pulled up to the sidewalk and parked in the No Parking zone, the boys’ bicycles were on their kick stands under the porte cochère at the back of the public library where the night drop off for books and, in my case, DVD’s is located. The library wouldn’t be open for more than an hour, so I assumed the boys were just there to get out of the hot morning sun. I put the DVD’s into the slot, nodded at the boys and turned around heading back to my idling car. Just about when I got to the driver’s door, one of the boys said “How much did that [car] cost?” I replied, “How much do you think?” The young man and his friend yelled back in unison, “A lot!” I told them it cost about $57,000, and I heard oo’s and ah’s in response. I drove off, giving them a quick honk and a wave.

    What’s the point?

    The point is, I’ve been thinking, saying and writing about what I assumed is the pending death of the automobile as most of us here know and love it. I’ve been of that opinion because it seems to me that virtually anyone under the age of 35 (or maybe under-30) seems as if they could care less about cars beyond them being appliances or means to get from point-to-point. These “young people” wouldn’t or couldn’t talk about cars if you threatened them with pain and death, and wouldn’t even bother to feign interest to win the new not-yet-released iPhone 6, so little interest do these folks seem to have in cars. These two young men gave me hope!

    Now, I’ll bet when you and I were in our formative (‘tween through teen-age) years, we had but several topics we cared to opine about: Cars, Girls [or boys] and Sex. I my case, I was a budding audiophile, too, which kind of rounded out the whole emerging nerd stereotype. Had there been personal computers (of any stripe) or video games available (it was the early to mid-60’s and such tech had not yet been introduced to the mainstream market), I most certainly would’ve been into them; but instead I was into “stereo” in addition to cars, girls and sex (talking about sex, not actually having it, of course).

    So when I was with my buds, the topic was often the “cars we were gonna be driving” as soon as we turned 16. We were dreamers, of course – we, then, were the kids sitting at the library entrance (where else?) watching the guy drive up in his new 1965 Bonneville pillar-less four-door painted in dark blue metallic with a ton of chrome accents and shiny chrome hub-caps and big ol’ tires (white walls, of course).

    “Hey mister, how much did that thing cost?” The reply, at the time, was “About $4,000,” and of course we then obliged by making the same oo and ah sounds like the ones I heard the other morning.

    My overarching point to this erudite group of auto enthusiasts here at Edmunds is that I believe we are pretty much smitten with cars and everything to do with them – but that we’re also mostly predisposed to acquire one of these Premium (or near-premium) Class cars based on history, loyalty or perhaps even looks. I would submit if you’ve had more than one representative of the same brand (back to back), that your next car is perhaps pre-ordained to come from that manufacturer. Loyalty to a brand is – along with several other characteristics – another sign that you are passionate about cars. You’ve come to identify yourself with BMW’s (a quite common occurrence here in Cincinnati) – you are a “BMW guy”. My friend, now President of his second software company had an Acura when I met him. In our times in the car often driving from Cincinnati to Chicago or to Bowling Green (KY), he would go on and on about what I’m convinced must be the best car in the world – at least he certainly thought so: the BMW M5. This guy was about 10-years my junior.

    Thankfully he didn’t have to keep the Acura long – so less than a year after I met him he leased his first (of many) BMW’s – a 3-series. Followed by a 5, then a 7 then one of the “Z” car convertibles (he called that one Penis).

    I submit that most of us here are (or want to be) “XXX” guys (intended to be gender neutral, don’t you know). You’re a Mercedes maven, you’re a BMW bigot and I’m an Audi aficionado. No matter what “empirical” data is brought to bear, you’re sure your new IS 350 F-Sport is superior to that guy’s BMW 328 – after all, Car & Driver says so; and, you just know you can run circles around the Bimmer’s 4-cylinder, turbo and all.

    So it is with the foreknowledge that no matter how much evidence I can produce to the contrary, you will remain steadfast that your own sagacity has been validated and put on display for all to see by your choice of the latest and greatest Volvo S60 (or whatever).

    So where does that leave us?

    With hope, I hope.

    The upcoming generation still needs to ratchet up their passion for all things automotive – or we could be doomed to forever being but passengers in our autonomous vehicles. But, I think there is some evidence, not much, but a little, that there are kids who are just as interested in cars as they are video games, social media (and, hopefully, sex).

    There may be some hope, too, that those of “us” who may not as of yet yet been inculcated by a Brand of automobile, may find our personal automotive archetype and to coin a phrase, “Live long and prosper.”

    I’ll close by saying this: While I still remain convinced that the Audi S4 is the best representative of the Entry-level Luxury Performance Sedan (and for the money it damn well ought to be), I must say, after having visited the Acura dealer to “See what’s new,” that the new TLX SH-AWD in Advance trim (the one with the 6-cylinder), ought to be this category’s leader if “price” (MSRP) is factored in. If you haven’t checked out this exact configuration (I can’t offer the same praise for the lesser TLX’s), I urge you to do so before you spend one dime on a new ELLPS car – this thing (the 2015, to be clear) is IMPRESSIVE!

    "Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da help!"

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,977

    If it makes you feel better, both my kids (23 YO son and 18 YO daughter) are obsessed with getting new cars.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,317

    Mark....I wish I could be as eloquent with thoughts and words as you are.

    BTW...I do agree that the new TLX is a very nice piece by Acura. Not in the market, but in a couple of years, it will be on my shopping list.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,977

    I need to take my old TL in this week for an oil change. I am sure I will take a TLX out for a drive to help pass the time

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,290
    edited September 8

    Business is excellent in Cincinnatti.

    Good to know.

    Brevity is the soul of, well, many things.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    edited September 9

    The new TLX is interesting as most articles I've seen prefer the 4 as the engine --but people also love Acuras poorly named Awd system because of its sticky ness. No awd with the 4.....Some wished they had a manual, even thou Acura killed it(rightfully so..look at the sales numbers.) This on paper looks like a nice car but if you don't go Awd it seems you could prob find more sport elsewhere- (my opinion ) That being said the written reviews have been positive.

    Check out the new 3 fighter Jag here

    http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-jaguar-xe-sports-sedan-photos-and-info-news

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    edited September 9

    Mark, I had to laugh at the one guy's name for his car, the "p-word". I've always looked at some cars, like a Porsche Carrera Turbo as being a "$140,000 p-word".

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,772

    Well guys, it has been real. For the past 2 1/2 years I've had the honor and privilege to drive an Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedan. I've literally LOVED every second behind the wheel of my 2011 328xi. The lease is up on 9/22 & I've decided to go a different, less expensive route. Today I put a deposit on a 2015 Subaru Legacy. I'll still be here lurking as a former and hopefully future owner of one of these fine sedans.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    edited September 9

    @nyccarguy‌ - you will be missed. Hear good things on the legacy- it's a nice looking rig, good luck. Make sure you have all season or you will be forced to swap if you get slicks even with awd

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,674

    @nyccarguy- The Subie is a great car, and you also have a Prelude that is probably more fun to drive than anything south of $40k...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,772

    @sweendogy

    Thanks! It does come with All Seasons which should get me by NO PROBLEM with the AWD here in Southern CT.

    @roadburner

    The Prelude is still and always will be "my car." Once it gets new shocks & springs next week, it will be AWESOME!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,977

    at least soon I will have someone to give honest feedback at living with a Legacy. Assuming of course I am still diddling about on the buying front!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,687

    Well, Mark. My daughter is certainly no Car Guy, but I have hopes for my son. So far, he said when he turns 16 at the end of the year, he expects me to give him my Jag XF. Which he prefers over Mom's 535xi. I, of course, (in his grand plan) am free to use the '02 RX300. Cuz that set of wheels ain't cool for his school. I am blessed. B)

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,317

    Bradd....very cool. I don't know much about Subies, other than those I know who have them, love them. So, I'm betting you'll love yours. There we have it...."another punch"!

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,674

    @laurasdada said: Well, Mark. My daughter is certainly no Car Guy, but I have hopes for my son. So far, he said when he turns 16 at the end of the year, he expects me to give him my Jag XF. Which he prefers over Mom's 535xi. I, of course, (in his grand plan) am free to use the '02 RX300. Cuz that set of wheels ain't cool for his school. I am blessed. B)

    My son attended the Teen School at the BMW Performance Center as well as Street Survival. While he's driving an X3 at present, he has made it clear that his next car has to be suitable to take to BMW CCA HPDEs. He's leaning towards a ZHP or maybe a GTI Performance Pack. Also under consideration in an E36 M3- a good choice as it has a true LSD and no overly intrusive electronic nannies(my 1975 2002 spoiled him with respect to an unadulterated driving experience).

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,093
    edited September 9

    Another One Bites the Dust

    This is gettin' serious now: "Nissan Plans to Make Autonomous Driving Common by 2016"

    -- Motor Trend, October 2014; Pg - 26

    You know what Pogo said: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Well "us" -- and we know who we are -- killed (or at least put it on its death-bed) the stick shift. Now, of course that's only partially true -- at least if you even a tiny bit agree that the DSG (aka PDK) dual clutch 'automatic manual' transmission is (and I hate to say this) equal to or better than the best manual transmissions ever made. But so few of "us" actually have these marvelous inventions -- and, I'll wager, the number of folks with the excellent 8-speed automatics available is also still somewhat small.

    I can only sort of forgive YOU and hold my head up high with righteous indignation: Because god knows my wife and I did our parts to preserve the manual transmissions going so far as to custom order nearly 2-and-a-half-dozen German cars with stick shifts since 1977 (we finally quit this practice out of the sheer futility of the act when we realized that [most of] the rest of YOU -- overwhelmingly -- had given up on stick shifts years earlier). And, my wife was appalled to read some of lame excuses, most of them blaming "the wife" for her inability to pilot a car with a stick shift.

    Of course, there is always that nagging feeling that the mobile phone also played a big part in killing the stick shift; even today it seems I don't have enough digits to count the number of cars I see being driven down the road with the driver holding a cell phone to his or her ear. So what? I forgot to mention the "phones in the ear" (thus requiring one free hand) I am counting are for the drivers' of cars that I know have Bluetooth! These drivers should be forced to ride the bus for one-full-year or pay a 5-figure fine (or both). This morning, in fact, I saw a woman (phone in ear) in a very young Maserati (with temp tags it was so new) pulling into Starbucks. I could only wonder if she was going to attempt to be on the phone and drink coffee all the while driving in rush hour traffic here in River City.

    The point? Qwit yur complainin', for the Market has spoken.

    But this latest outrage -- autonomous driving (by 2016 no less) -- is, some will say, both inevitable and welcome. Perhaps. It is also inevitable that we will -- eventually -- run out of fossil fuel. But we're talking decades and decades if you believe many of the scholarly studies from think tanks like the Rand Corporation to name one.

    Mean time, WHO (among us) is asking for self-driving cars? I'd rather pay more taxes (and I can't believe I said that) if some of them could be earmarked for public transportation infrastructure improvements and additions. A one-person (or 4 person) public transportation vehicle (manifested in the form of a self-driving passenger vehicle), is not something I want to sign up for.

    On the other hand, I do want driver aids: laser headlights, night-vision, "city safety", all around-view cameras, rear cross traffic alerts -- even automatic cruise control for those 100+ mile stints behind the wheel that are part of my weekly routine trips between Cincinnati and Columbus or Cincinnati and Louisville or Indianapolis.

    I want a connected car (better even than that which is in my 2014 S4: "Audi Connect"), but I still want to press the pedals (most of the time, anyway) and turn the steering wheel myself.

    I am [now, happily] resigned to allowing my dual-clutch 7-speed automatic manual transmission to do the rowing for me, but I am far, far, far from wanting my car to drive itself. Indeed, I'm mostly sure I don't even want the thing to park itself, thank you very much.

    The only good news in the Nissan announcements (if you can call it "good") is that Nissan claims they will NOT ELIMINATE the need for human interaction (like some competitors -- gulp).

    "There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tinny blast on tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us."

    Drive it like you live -- but do drive it yourself.

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,674

    @cdnpinhead said: Brevity is the soul of, well, many things.

    And it is essential in my line of business...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,279

    If it doesn't have 3 pedals, it's an AUTOMATIC. Call it what you will, couch it in Teutonic techno-babble, whatever. You aren't fooling me.

    Of course, sometimes I do wonder if some automakers made their shifters so clunky deliberately, to wean us off them?

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343

    A seven speed manual would be interesting to compete on fuel economy with the 7 speed DSG/S-tronic. Gas is too expensive to entertain the thought of settling for the available 6-speed manual S4 which is still available (probably only by special order). Audi probably thinks the only people that'll order a manual will do so despite the mileage penalty, and there's so few they won't bother developing a 7 speed with 3 pedals.

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