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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    In response - nurse I ment no disrespect by her vs him. Again I don't need the backstory on awd and Arizona my comment was about the actual car not the sub model. You also are quick to respond right after billy- I mean he's got this. . but you do write about the 335 alot thou you have to admit. The 3 year residuals are 49 and 48% with the BMW a touch better- wonder if this will change with the new BMW 3 out soon. My point in all of this is you have to put price in the conversation when talking about these cars- a car with a higher price should be better, right?
    And for billy ... What logic and or common sense don't you get? I have stated sales numbers and published articles from professional car drivers. you should know this given your Investment banking background...homework before you buy something - that being said it does come down to taste when buying a car. You went "long" a Mazda - others did not- all about taste. Acura has been walking the milleneum tightrope for 5 years now. I'm "short" Acura "long" Infiniti and right now I'm in the black and am very comfortable with the trade right now.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    FWIW, I would choose the 328i over any version of the G37 in a heartbeat.

    Who cares about horsepower? Revving a BMW I-6 to redline and shifting that sweet 6MT is such a sublime experience.

    I don't care how long it takes to get there, I just want to enjoy the trip.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    edited November 2011
    Wow- you are in the black on a depreciable asset or maybe you meant- you went long on the actual Nissan stock and shorted Honda?
    Right- Day Trader?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Unlike you guys in AZ where it never snows or you guys in NH where the plows are on it like flies on fruit, in the great garden state I might actually have to drive on 10 or more inches of the stuff.

    Subaru with all seasons no problem, g37 not holding my breath.

    Ive already gone the rwd and snows route, not doing that again.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    Where I live in CT (Stamford, extremely southwestern CT) they don't plow the roads as well as they do in Westchester County, NY where I used to live. They also don't salt the roads close to my home due to the fact that many have well water. Last winter was my 1st "New England" winter & I know it was worse than usual. I've got a 31 mile commute to work & have to be there to open up at 7:30 AM (my name's on the door, can't be late). The 1st 10 miles that I'm in CT before I hit the NY border were treacherous. I'm not saying it can't be ordered, but pretty much every 3,5,&,7 here are AWD. You'd have an easier time finding a stick shift on a dealer's lot than a RWD BMW. Every single MB (not SL & SLK) has 4Matic. I've seen a total of 3 LEXUS IS w/O AWD.

    I think every car (AWD or not) should have snow tires. Did I ever get stuck in my '01 Prelude with snow tires? No. Once last year, I had to drive NORTH (10 miles) into a snowstorm because the southbound entrance ramp had a foot of snow that hadn't been plowed yet.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited November 2011
    good response- exactly what a person who works in IB and is waiting on his bonus would say. You should put the order in now for the E55 because im sure your going to get paid "size." but please put me on your do-not-call list at the firm you work for- Im sure there is alot of benjamins to be made on biotech, im not interested at this time>
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    edited November 2011
    "Who cares about horsepower? Revving a BMW I-6 to redline and shifting that sweet 6MT is such a sublime experience.
    For only a few more months - the I6 is gone from the 328 series next year. :shades:
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Yeah, the only thing about the new car that is disappointing. But it was inevitable.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    No sweet regarding gender, I use it to my advantage, when I went to the LA BWM track days at Willow Spring raceway, some of the members were expecting a female, however when I drove up in my E90 with the ZHP packaged car the look was classic. Some people assumed since I was a nurse, I had to be a female.

    When it comes to lease prices, the leases are better on the BMW then G37 and usually by a great deal.

    Regarding your comment about if its more it has to be better, if the sum of all the parts are better, then yes its better. This is why BMW has been picked over the G series car over and over. The BMW pedals are set up for heal and toe, the transmission is smoother, the engine is smooth, the brakes work better. I haven't taken my 3 series on the track, this will change in 2 weeks, I'll be able to tell you more than.

    Regarding the new turbo 4 in the 3 series, I was able to drive a new Z4 with the engine in it, have to say, the power build up is better then the I6, its harsher then the I6 but the Z4 is faster with the I4. So I suspect the new 3 series will be faster too.With a few bolt on's the new turbo 4 should be able to make 300HP with out breaking a sweat.

    I wonder when Infiniti will up the HP on the G25, to me that is what is hurting the car...
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited November 2011
    "When it comes to lease prices, the leases are better on the BMW then G37 and usually by a great deal. " see below, these are from both infiniti and bmw websites-- i did some calculations..

    2012 infiniti G37
    $379 /month Lease for 39 months
    $2,499 initial payment (includes first month)
    2012 G37 Sedan Journey RWD with Premium Package - msrp 41k
    comes out to 433 a month all in if you include initial payment

    2011 BMW 328 msrp 38k- 36mth lease
    • $349 First months payment
    • $2,500 Down payment
    • $0 Security Deposit
    • $725 Acquisition fee
    • $3,574 Cash due at signing
    verse 438 a month all in for the bmw- plus you have to pay
    At lease end, lessee will be liable for disposition fee ($350.00)

    love the passion for the bmw- but your great deal comment is incorrect- Infact with the infiniti your getting an more expensive car thats one model year newer for less per month if my math is correct.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    Gotta pay for G37 maintenance

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited November 2011
    Yep - 4 or 5 oil changes and a couple of tire rotations - or about 100 bux less in maintence then the BMW return lease fee, next. Let's be a little creative people- also noticed the S60 now is part of the group which is a great add, still can't believe we have 2 acuras on the board Thou
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    Honestly, if someone is cross-shopping the two, intending to lease, there's not enough difference in price for PRICE to be the deciding factor. Plenty of people do like the BMW included maintenance. I think a few oil changes and tire rotations is a bit of an underestimate - it'll probably chew through brake pads (and rotors) as well.

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    If anyone put's down that kind of money for lease then they do not deserve to lease a car. Those leader ad's are just that, leader ad's. When I bought my BMW I could have signed and driven away with nothing out of pocket ZERO and payments of $599/m.

    So if people are shopping and price is a factor then they can't afford either car.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    So if people are shopping and price is a factor then they can't afford either car.

    Price is always a factor to one degree or another. If you mean that $20 or $30 bucks a month or so shouldn't be a factor when buying cars like those discussed here then maybe I could understand where you're coming from. But what you said....ridiculous.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    I disagree, there are two types of people who buy luxury cars, one who can afford it and the other are ones who think they can afford it. If people put down $4K on a lease to buy down the payment, these are the people who can not afford it. Then they shouldn't lease one. It's pretty simple... this is how America got into problem it is in....
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    So many people DO NOT understand leasing. It is just an alternate method of financing (thank you kyfdx), not a cheap way of getting into a more expensive vehicle.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • I think mostly it is a way for people to get into an expensive car they couldn't otherwise afford. But also it's a way to get a new car more often. Either way, I think it's mostly become popular due to the car companies pushing it. They can put a car out there for two years or so and take it back and resell and make a good profit; much more so than they can on new cars. Used it where the money is now for car salesman.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Interesting, if people lease car's the correct way, with no money out of pocket the price difference is more then $20-30/m. However if someone lease's the cheap way by using their own money to buy down the monthly payment then yes the price difference is $20-30/m.

    When you are paying $500/m for a car it is nice to have maintenance included.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Leader ads? The information I posted is from each manufactures "special offers" web page. Im a little lost with your comments. Deserve to lease a car? theBorrow Rates are very low and used car prices (rresidual Val) made leasing avail for the masses. Imagine if you had to go to the dealership with a check for the car in full - your BMW 328 would be as common as a Mazda mulenium.
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