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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Sweeny why would buy a car that is inferior to your G35? Why lower yourself to drive a BMW? Remember for you it is all about Value, and in your words, BMW is not a value car.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    you are trying to tweak me-which I actually enjoy. value wise Infiniti g beats BMW-but as I said in the past it's not a better car then 335 form. 328 nice rig but it's 40k gives you a softer 6 - and most peeps get them in auto form which for me handicaps performance. I have mentioned I'm looking for a 2010-2011 335 x drive with stick because i miss rowing my own boat - and Infiniti will no bring a stick in awd form or I would already have it because yes I like 10k (or more) in saving and 90% (?) of the performance and lux. Can't wait to see the 4500 (leader?) of the 2011s you speak bc that actually kills my value agrument which is ok if I'm getting a deal. Why again did you new my age? (3rd time I ask)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    Thanks for the info. Yes I am getting the 0.9% apr for 60 months (they're also offering 1.9% for 72 months). The 328xi currently has the .9%, $2500, & 2 payment waiver. The 335xi offers the $1850 option credit which basically gives you AWD for free.

    While my son is taking a nap after a very eventful 3yr old birthday party, I'm going to go out & clean the TSX.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Why isn't the VW CC not included in this group? Just had one as a rental in San Diego, have to say, was very impressed. It meets all the criteria of a ELLPS ?

    And when did VW become a luxury brand? Chrysler is like Buick....premium but not luxury brand. How many luxury brands sell minivans???
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    I agree with the VW CC being added (not like it's a vote...). I would rank it higher than many in this group; and if price is included it would be near the top.

    How about the departed VW Phaeton? That has 'some' luxury elements to it :)

    How about the Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec...seems luxurious and sporty (for under 50k).

    I think the exclusivity of a name (take your pick, MB, Lexus, etc) is fading now that you can option-up solid, well-build 'regular' vehicles. IMO there are some 'lesser' vehicles such as a Focus Titanium (and soon ST) that are more rewarding and more luxurious than a TSX (no offense to TSX owners...I actually like the old and new ones).

    Of course the luxury dealer network also comes into play. My Lexus dealer is far above any another other I've visited (Audi, Infiniti)

    I'm not certain the omission of a mini-van is a qualifier for luxury status; MB R-Class (no sliding doors...but we all know it's a mini-van). As well as many other "suv's" that are mini-van's with the convenient sliding doors removed.

    Could be I just don't see the value of the "name" club anymore...
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Could be I just don't see the value of the "name" club anymore...

    I agree to a degree but just because someone doesn't see the value doesn't mean they don't exist. There are still clearly luxury brands versus main brands or whatever one wants to call them and luxury brands are what is in the title of this forum. I don't think anyone would pay the money for some of these brands if the warranty and dealer experience were like going to your Ford dealer. It's a package deal.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,240
    edited March 2012
    in a colleague's Kia rental last week, it's becoming apparent, at least to me, that all cars are really good these days

    I rented a Dodge Charger at MSP because National didn't have any GM cars available--this time of the year they want to rent trucks, but I want a car. I don't especially like GM stuff, but I do know where to find all the controls (it's called standard work). Either way, the Charger was a fine ride, and I figured out most of its controls fairly quickly (except for the fuel door release, which took awhile).

    The charger and the Kia were both worlds better than most cars available 10 years ago.

    Given the pissing match that this board has become, mostly due to him who shall remain nameless, it's still worth pointing out that ALL these cars are good. Everyone is railing about marginal stuff.

    Not a bad place to be.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2012
    Good points - I would also add people are keeping there cars longer then try did 10 years ago- quality, Kia Hyundai has brought a new dynamic to the overall car market that cheap cars that run as good as any. Cars today need gas and oil (every 5-10k) an not much else over the first 30k miles, so maintence cosra are low as well. Consumer reports had Subaru as it's top overall manufacture- a niche company at best 10 years ago here in the states.
    I agree the pissing by "him" stinks even thou hes opinions differ from ours- as long as he backs his comments with fact- or reviews he should continue.
  • mkahn21mkahn21 Posts: 11
    I haven't researched this class since 2006, when I bought a TL. Still love that car: >95K miles and going strong.

    We're replacing our other car (a crossover), and I want another entry lux sport sedan. Price limit: low $40s. Must have AWD, and at least a tendency toward the aggressive/handling rather than the comfort/luxury end of the spectrum. Finally, the nav and controls must be highly intuitive.

    I test drove 3 cars this weekend: G37x, S60 T6, and A4 quattro. All had similar "premium" packages and navigation. I ruled out the new TL, my dad has one and I don't like the interface and am "meh" on the styling. Plus it feels too big. Heck, I think I even like my previous generation TL better.


    G37x: Awesome drive, great interior. I left the lot trying to think of something I didn't like about the car. Trunk space isn't huge ... that's about it. I couldn't find a compromise anywhere. Really a standard bearer, even 4 model years into its generational life.

    S60 T6: I didn't expect to love this car, but I did. I thought its handling and power were up there with the Infiniti. Plus the seats are amazingly comfortable, and the exterior styling really appeals to me. The only drawback is the nav system/computer - I thought the buttons were too small and the whole interactive experience was less easy than it could be. Still, a great car and a welcome surprise.

    A4 quattro: Outside and in, this car is gorgeous, beautiful, luxurious, well-appointed, pick the adjective. It's just a pleasure to look at, sit in, and touch. Even the nav/multiscreen monitor was pleasant to look at. The handling is superb and it's probably the most athletic of the 3 around corners. The word "taut" readily comes to mind. I just wish it were quicker off the line. The A4 didn't leave me breathless the way the other 2 did.

    For value (which I define as how much power and goodies you get for your money), I think the G37x is a star: $2K-$3K less than the others comparably equipped, and $7K less than the BMW 335i xDrive, which I'd buy if money were no object.

    This class really is impressive with a lot of smart, good choices. I'll be buying my G37x shortly and will hopefully get many years of pleasure from it ...

    ... Unless anyone suggests I check out another option I've missed?
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,240
    . . .agree the pissing by "him" stinks . . .

    Now, that's funny. :D
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Good luck man- Don't know if you are up east but alot of competition with dealers you should get a good deal.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    If you haven't driven a CC give one a try, the feel, the touch of the interior is very much luxury, the fit and finish is that of Audi and BMW. Just because it says VW and not Audi doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed. Again, the new 300 is a far cry from the previous Gen... Just wish the engineers didn't program the tranny to upshift so fast and allow the engine to go into ECO mode so quick. Other then that, the fit and finish is first rate, the power is better then most car listed as ELLPS.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Again why would you lower yourself in buying a BMW, with the amount of time you wasted telling myself and others that BMW are not good values, it comes out that you have secretly been lusting for one, jealously isn't a good thing Sweeny. So with all of your rants and jabs you really wanted a BMW...
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Do you read posts ?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,174
    why aren't you out shopping?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • robbiegrobbieg Posts: 326
    Have you sat in a Toureg? Those things are awesome. Just because a car company makes a car that sells for 16000 doesn't mean it can't make a luxury car. A loaded up CC is as nice inside as a Toureg.

    Does Lexus even sell any IS 350s? The TSX is for buyers that can't or won't pay 40,000 for a sports sedan. Isn't a manual transmission G a sportier car than a BMW 328 with a slushbox?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    I'm working. Going tomorrow to have the TSX appraised by Wide World BMW. Trying not to put too many miles on it.

    Since it is gorgeous out today, I took the Prelude to work. Kept it at 65 mph on the way in.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • Thanks for sharing your impressions and I recently just had to make a similar decision, although I didn't even test drive the Volvo. Like you I ruled out the TL right away as the interface was really clunky and while I liked the reliability and the Honda lineage I wanted something a little different.

    I ended up going with the G37x because the lease deal was way better than the A4 and I've been really happy for my first 3 weeks with the car. Filling up the first time is a little eye opening and seeing the MPG never climb above 20 is also a little concerning, but the thing is like a rocket (and almost as loud) and it's a lot of fun to drive.

    Good luck with the purchase!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    edited March 2012
    What's your point. A G is an Infiniti which is the luxury division of Nissan. Isn't Audi the luxury division of VW? I could name half a dozen cars that have power and feel luxurious but that doesn't make them luxury cars. Like I said before, a luxury car comes as a package with the dealer experience part of that package. From what I've heard and read, going to a VW dealership for service is not usually a pleasant experience.

    What does how many IS 350s are sold have to do with anything? I would assume a G stick is a little sportier than a BMW 328 with auto. Does that mean the 328 shouldn't be discussed here? You make no sense.

    I don't disagree that a CC or Toureg or Tiguan may feel nice and drive nice. But that doesn't make them ELLPS especially the the SUVs because they aren't even sedans. And again, VW is not and certainly doesn't market itself as a luxury brand.

    Yes, btw, I have sat in both and the Tiguan and the Jetta GLI just a few weeks ago at the auto show. They are nice but not luxury vehicles.
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