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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Is start/stop on all 3series cars or just North American cars?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,093
    My bad sweendogy. That's just like me. I live in CT (New England) & work in The Bronx.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,886
    Fed...not sure if start/stop is on any other BMW models other than the 3 Series!
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,482
    At least in the Jaguar pantheon, it is "entry level." With the death of the dearly beloved X-type ;) the XF became the poor man's special... But, in size and price, it's really a LPS. IMHO, of course.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    Drove my complete commute today - 7 miles with ESP on- think I toped out at 30mph- saw alot of bikers on the local roads- 85 degrees - no rain . The car with ESP drives very similar when it's off - one other thing to note - used my Bluetooth on the ride home, first time since April, asked the wife if she wanted me to pick up dinner, she said no - already made something - with the ESP on I felt safer in making such a call.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,597
    ...yesterday I took a left turn in front of a black Cadillac CTV coupe. Very mean looking.

    As I passed the driver, I was stunned to see this lady driving it:


    So much for stereotypes...

  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    I read someplace that the Auto Stop/Start can be turn off completely by having the BMW dealer updating the the software. Basically the update allows the computer to "remember" the last function of this feature. So if you turned it off when you got into the car and turned the car off, then the computer remember this and the system is turned off when the car is restarted. On a side note my neighbor has 2007 BMW 335i, been having some issues with the A/C, he bought it as a CPO, the car is back in the shop, he has a 2012 328i, the dealer forgot to tell him about the auto stop/start, when he left the dealership with the loaner, he came up a light, waited, the car stopped. At first he wasn't too sure the issue, went back to the dealership with the car where they explained this feature. He doesn't like it... He liked the car overall, but not that feature, I explained about the computer update the dealership can do with it.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Fed, I believe it is on all Euro 3 series, from the 316 to 335d. I believe for 2013 all BMW;s will get it in Europe. Will be interesting to see how this feature will increase MPG on the big 760i's
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Rob the last big CTS commercial I saw had a 30 something female driving the CTS. There is a black CTS-V down the street from me with custom graphic on saying "Barrett-Jackson" on the side. The diver is a middle-age lady, I also found out that she is the wife of the VP of Barrett Jackson the car also have manufacture plates on it. Nice perk... He drives a black on black on black Hummer H2 with manufacture plates.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    edited August 2012
    Here is one article on the BMW 3 reprogramming for the start/stop from about 5 days ago. It was also on several other car related sites. /
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    You do live dangerously if you apply the "breaks" if your car gets "a little loose in a turn." that is one good way of ending up in the ditch. Just saying...
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,886
    FN.....of all the positive attributes my BMW possesses, the A/C isn't one of them. It works....but not nearly as well as my former TL or the GF's S4.

    Agree with you....braking hard, in a corner, stability control off? Somebody is swapping ends. Wonder which driving school teaches that technique? :P
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    Who said "hard breaking"? - enjoy the computers and auto transmissions you auto enthusiast.
  • Sween, dont you drive a 5 speed auto tranny G35?
    So what is all the rant about auto tranny?

    Honestly, I wanted the manual TL but I know my wife drives my car ever so often. My plan (if I ever get around to it) is to purchase RSX type S with the stick as a beater car. Hopefully in the 3k to 4k range, then I can probably join your club and rant all day about manuals :)
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    My "rant" is with car guys who say the auto is better car- not the guys who get the auto because the wife is driving, I understand some factors restrict certain transactions. I have a g35x - (traded a jetta Gli) and would have gotten stick if it was offered, but Infiniti on awd cars does not, I live in new England, it's a shame which I've mentioned here in forums and have written to Infiniti as well. Could I have bought a 335, a4, Tl or others but for the money it was a no brainer. Closest thing was the TL- and have you seen the face of those ?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    It seems that if someone really, really wants a stick shift they wouldn't let a little snow stop them. I've heard so many times that proper snows and traction control let RWD cars compete heads up with an AWD car with all seasons. Now add to that scenario someone that likes to live a little dangerously in the first place and it seems like a pretty lame excuse blaming the car company.

    I grew up in Michigan on stick shifts with RWD with no ESP, traction control or ABS brakes on bias ply tires. Still alive somehow.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Sweeny what is interesting is how you turn peoples words around. The "people" you say "car guys who say the auto is better car" no one has stated that, what has been said is, that the newer generation auto have become just as good as cars with manual transmission. Now a true auto enthusiast understand this. There will always be people who will have to have a manual car, and there will always be people who will want an auto. Neither is right or wrong, but for some reason you have made it a point to say, that people who choose an auto is a lessor person for that choice. So why doesn't Infiniti build a G37X with a manual? Is is a lessor car then say a Audi A4 or BMW 328iX ?
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Hey M6, my partner is from Flint and he says the same thing, and car's today with traction control and RWD can get around in snow very well, since most of the Car mag's are based in Ann Arbor Michigan, and not all of the long term cars have AWD, they do not seem to have a problem driving in the snow. They just change the tires to some good snow tires and drive....
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Graphic what is interesting is how poor the Germans A/C's are, way back in 1986 I bought a 190E 2.3-16 (wish I had that car today) the A/C was OK living in San Diego. In 1988 I bought a MB 300SDL (for work) and again in San Diego the A/C was ok, but get that car in the Desert (Las Vegas, Phoenix, and or Yuma) and the A/C was not OK... Over the years the Germans have done better, my 330 I don't have the problem as I did with the 300SDL, the 330 can keep me cold all day.. However, the Japanese have always had a good A/C unit in their cars.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,523
    Hey Sweeny doesn't your G35 have Traction control (computer), and an Auto ? So how are you enjoying your sports sedan, you auto enthusiast?
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