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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,091
    They do, but it costs EXTRA unlike BMW's ED Program.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,595
    Does Porsche have a European Delivery option? If so take it...

    They do. Luckily this year they stopped charging extra to pick it up at the factory but other than transportation from the airport to the factory and a tour, they don't offer some of the benefits like Volvo and BMW - discounts, plane fare, hotel, meals, et al.

    But it's a Porsche....
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,091
    Usually loaners do have low mileage on them & the dealers sell em off after 10K or so miles. Maybe this was some sort of "program car" or "BMW executive driven car" that they picked up on the cheap. I'll ask later.

    How much attention does the dealer pay to its loaner fleet? Someone turned the car in before me & the girl at the desk just checks the gas gauge. I'm sure nobody notices or bothers to tell if there is a problem.

    I happen to NOTICE EVERYTHING when it comes to cars. I checked the tires just now (it was dark when I left this AM) & the rears are down to the wear bars. Fronts still have some life left in them. I think the loaner needs an alignment & and also has a front left tire out of balance.

    My MOM once got a Cayenne S loaner from the dealer that was a 2008 with over 60K.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    The reason why a 535d was not imported was simple, price. A fully loaded 535d would run close to $65K. The 335d was just something that BMW wanted to see if it would sell, it did, but BMW never fully suppoted it as far as ad time. BMW will be importing a diesel in the 3 series as well as X3 started in the first quarter of 2013, MB will be importing a GLK230 (a diesel) that is suppose to get 40 MPG on the highway and make 395lbs of torque.

    Now Habitat when you went to the BMW dealer to get your X5 were you in the market for the X5d or did the fact that BMW was offering the Eco credit which brought down the price of the X5d to the price of a X5 the factor you got the diesel over the gasser?
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    Not really, it is up to the dealer on what they use as rentals. I have had 530i, 325i wagon, as well as 330 convertible. I decided once to take my BMW to Scottsdale BMW and the guy ahead of me was given 750i as a loaner. So if I had gotten to the dealer 5 minutes earlier I would have had that 750i.

    I agree that cars should not have "worn" tires, but I can tell you those 335d have a easy time wearing out rear tires, all of the car mag's who had a 335d as one for a year stated that with 415 lbs of torque eat rear tires...
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    Oh right, forgot about that.... It's a Porsche... :confuse:
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    LOL !!!! I had a 1987 300SDL in 1989 bought it from San Diego MB, it had 17K miles on it. To this date it was the BEST highway cruiser I have owned. As you stated it was quick off the line, however, once you got above 10 mph it picked up steam, use to drive it to vegas from San Diego, on highway 15 I would put the car on cruise at 90 (that was the unofficial speed limited between Barstow and Vegas.) I would average 22 mpg and you couldn't tell you were going that fast. The leg room in the back was incredible and never had a complaint about it. The W126's and W140s were tanks, built better then the current W221.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,595
    What I meant is that if one is willing to pay for a Porsche (with the associated over the top option prices), then the cost of flying one's self to Europe isn't a big deal.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    Same thing can be said about BMW,s when one orders a 650 4dr coupe, costing 103K, I think they can afford to fly to Europe too.

    But the whole Ed program is about driving YOUR car in europe and having it shipped back.. The discount is nice too. The 7 series that we build was priced $83K, that was before the ED price, which was $5K less so $77K would have been the price (special note, for 2013, the M sport package is free on the 740i, BMW will give you credit if you order it.) Yes, BMW goes give air fare but the restrictions on it aren't to my liking, and you can not upgrade using miles to first class or even Business.

    Also doesn't matter if you can afford 103K or $77K for a car, saving 5K on the car is a great program.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,595
    But the whole Ed program is about driving YOUR car in europe and having it shipped back.. The discount is nice too.

    Oh I completely understand that although I once had a co-worker take a side trip to Sweden to take delivery of a Volvo for a friend who didn't want the trip.

    I've looked at the Volvo program as that is the one I would most likely take advantage of.

    Their discount is about 8% off of MSRP. They include 2 round trip tickets tickets, one night's stay at a hotel in Gotheburg, transportation between the airport/hotel/delivery center and a Swedish meatball lunch at the delivery center.

    Sometimes, Volvo might have extra vehicles ready for factory delivery without an order and will toss some extra incentives on them. Further Volvo allows the buyer to pick and choose options outside of packages on a Euro delivery.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    edited December 2012
    The only issue is Volvos sell at deep discounts with large amounts of incentives (at least recently) thrown at them, especially in form of dealer's incentives. Apples to apples, you may get actually lower price here than ED fixed price, so the benefit is the fare, one hotel night, dinner and "free rental" for two weeks. One could assign a price for it, so a comparison can be made whether it still is a good deal or not, moneywise. I suspect it's a financial break even plus experience and extra expense for the rest of the trip.

    I had similar thing on BMW - the dealer was not as eager to discount on ED, there was additional coupon on US delivery, so ED price was not really as attractive, basically about same, maybe $1000 lower than US street (final) price and I still had to buy a ticket. I also did not get best financing offer, either, as I had to rely on dealer's offer (no bank will give you a loan on car without a title, it is the dealer who needs to vouch for you). The terms weren't bad, just not "best" I refinanced the car right out of the US Customs' gates (at the time I booked 3.8%, refinanced into 2.6% APR).

    But experience is what counts. 138 mph on the autobahn (could not quite get to the top speed, not enough of runway), Rhein river castles, Aachen and Cologne Cathedrals... PLUS Performance Center delivery (one night w/ dinner and breakfast at Sheraton, half day at their circuits in Spartanburg). What was even better, I took the US (Spartanburg) delivery on December 23. Talking about perfect timing. :D :shades:

    Considering that I'm fussy on options (really fussy), I'd special order regardless, which would limit my barganinig power anyway.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,595
    The only issue is Volvos sell at deep discounts with large amounts of incentives (at least recently) thrown at them, especially in form of dealer's incentives.

    I realize that price wise, buying from the dealer is probably a better price. But if you wanted to go to Europe and planned on buying a Volvo, it might be a better deal.

    I had similar thing on BMW - the dealer was not as eager to discount on ED...

    Another positive on the Volvo ED - they have a published price that can't be negotiated. The dealer is paid a flat amount by Volvo to process the paperwork and prep for delivery once it reaches them. With all the other ED programs, one still has to negotiate the price.

    Considering that I'm fussy on options (really fussy), I'd special order regardless, which would limit my barganinig power anyway.

    In reality, ordering normally affords greater bargaining power. Dealer doesn't have to worry about paying floor plan on the car - it's punched as a sold unit ASAP. Selling it at invoice is probably more profitable for the dealer than selling over invoice on stock units.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Now Habitat when you went to the BMW dealer to get your X5 were you in the market for the X5d or did the fact that BMW was offering the Eco credit which brought down the price of the X5d to the price of a X5 the factor you got the diesel over the gasser?

    I had an interest in the X5d for at least a year or two. The fact that they increased the eco credit to $4,500 in June, just as my daughter was getting her driving license and we could use another vehicle was good timing all around. If I hadn't gone for the X5d, it wouldn't have been a X5 3.5i instead. It would have been a Cayenne V6 6-speed manual. Had a deal to get one of those at a great discount that put it about the same pice as the X5d.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    edited December 2012
    It certainly doesn't look that way in my experiences. Instant gratification seems to be most powerful motivator. It is strenghtened by dealer's incentives based on deliveries in next month. If you make an order to be filled two or three months from now, the dealer cannot factor any marketing support money that is expiring in two weeks. So you can get a price closer to nominal invoice, but if there is grand or two of dealer incentive (not consumer rebate) expiring last day of current month, that is not going to be part of the equation in special order.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    but if there is grand or two of dealer incentive (not consumer rebate) expiring last day of current month, that is not going to be part of the equation in special order.


    Think that may be case by case. My BMW dealer claims I can get the same near invoice deal from them on a custom order BMW M3 if I order by 12/31 as they would be able to give me on one of two that they have in stock on the showroom floor. I would still get the holiday and loyalty credits that expire 1/1/13, even though I wouldn't be picking up the car until March. They are still trying to tempt me away from a Porsche and I have to admit, the price on a new 2013 M3 is a heck of a deal, especially given the opportunity to custom order and pick up in Spartanburg.
  • Go to the European Delivery forum on bimmerfest. There are plenty of dealers that will negotiate up from European Delivery INVOICE pricing. You can usually order a car from between $500 and $1000 over ED invoice. This translates to about an11% discount from US MSRP.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    That is correct, ED prices are negotiable....except, I do not believe there is any ED discount on "M" models, and obviously ED is not available on the BMW models made here in the US (X3/5/6). In addition, on some hard to get models, as in the initial introduction of the three series hardtop convertible, an ED order does not get charged against the dealers allocation, so they view it as an bonus sale and will be more aggressive in discounting ED than a US delivery car out of their limited allocation.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    I had similar thing on BMW - the dealer was not as eager to discount on ED, there was additional coupon on US delivery, so ED price was not really as attractive, basically about same, maybe $1000 lower than US street (final) price and I still had to buy a ticket.

    When I did my ED, I was able to my car under invoice, plus given airfare, one night hotel. I do remember that the dealer was happy to do the ED for me since the ZHP cars were limited production and at the time, my car was now counted in their regular allotment. Now times might have changed and ED cars might be counted towards dealers allotment. But I remember last year when looking at the 5 and 7 series we were told that ED cars were not counted as part of their allotment. I haven't looked at Volvo's or MB's programs, but I do like the fact with BMW you can set up delivery at their performance center and have fun on their track there.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    So basically price won out?
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,522
    It certainly doesn't look that way in my experiences. Instant gratification seems to be most powerful motivator. It is strenghtened by dealer's incentives based on deliveries in next month. If you make an order to be filled two or three months from now

    This is the biggest issue when buying a car, most people wait until they need a car now, instead of planning for it. my neighbor bought a new 2013 335i. He traded in his 2007, when I asked if he thought about the ED program he said, Yes, but he couldn't wait the 6 months time to get his car here stateside. I do know BMW will work with you if your car is leased through BMWFS in allowing you to keep your current car until the new one arrives.
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