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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,210
    edited May 2013
    I ended up selling it and bought a Datsun Roadster had that until my senior year in HS.

    Was it a 1600 or a 2000? I love Datsuns from that era -- drove a '68 1600 sedan (later to become the 510) and a '73 510 for many many miles.

    Good times. :D
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    Funny thing, my mechanic told me the same thing too, additionally he is advocating for me to keep the TL. He keeps mentioning that it looks like I bought it yesterday-thanks to the many Zaino products and a garage.

    I dont know, maybe or maybe not- I will let the Forum know.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    Billy....one of the things I miss most from the TL are the headlights. My S4 has HIDs with LEDs. The TL "only" has HIDs. They are worlds better than the Audi's lamps. Same goes for the A6.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    edited May 2013
    My independent mechanic told me a while ago...."if you're only going to keep a car 3-4 years, one of the German marques will do. If you're going to keep a car past 3-4 years, get a Japanese marque (he specifically likes Honda products). If you want a car that's cheap to maintain, get an American marque."

    A "while ago" that might have been good advice but I own two German cars more than a decade old that continue to give reliable day to day service with fewer problems than I'd expect from any car of that age. I know several other people in the same boat so it's not just a sample of two.

    Thew belief that German cars become hideously expensive to run after a few years/miles works to the advantage of those who buy them when they're over 4-5 yrs/o. They're fantastic values if you buy carefully.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    Graph- I get it- you are INDIRECTLY telling me to stick with the TL.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    billy.....LOL! It's your money. I can spend it for you if you'd like.

    I like both the TL and my Audi. There are just certain things that the TL does better than the Audi (or my previous BMW 3 for that matter). Headlights is just one of them. I know it's the new "bling" trend to have LED lights. But, I've yet to see any car beat the illumination of the TL's HIDs. The TL's sport seats are more comfortable than those in my S4 (which has really good seats, too).

    My money....given a choice? I would keep the TL. The A6 (and my S4) is a great car. Is it $15K+ better than the TL SH AWD? I'd be hard pressed to say so.

    I've decided that I've hit the cross roads of diminishing returns with the $50K-$55K price point I've been hovering in (which is where the Audis and BMWs seem to hit).

    Again, it will be a couple of years, but I'll probably return to Acura after they announce the new TL. Strong rumor that it will be a 2015....right when I'm ready to buy. Also, assuming it still has a 6 cyl and is at least as good as the present TL.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    Actually, I went back in December 2012and test drove the A6 extensively.
    The sales guy was one of the nicest I had met at any of the three Audi dealership in Fairfield County CT. I almost swapped it out at that point but my value side got the better of me- we'll see about that.
    I agree with you on the headlights, I swapped out the fogs for HID's, you can see me coming from a mile.
    I will probably wait until year end to start dibbling again- hopefully the markets keep doing what they are doing now.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,125
    Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads. No matter how fast we tackle twisty back roads or blast off onto an open highway.

    There are days when I jump onto 95 and have been able to set my cruise at 80 mph. Traveling at that speed, I've been passed (easily) by a 2003 V6 Camry, a 2004 Suburban just to name a few. At the same point, I've passed by Aston Martins, 911 Cabs, & even Ferraris with my cruise set at 65 mph. All of us here enjoy what we drive.

    Are there differences between a TL SH AWD Advanced & the 5er, E350, or A6? Absolutely. The Germans don't just charge more because they can. I'm not going to say one is more durable or reliable than the other. But if the Acura is 8/10ths of the comparable German Sedan, I'll be on my way to pick up a TL.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    'Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads. '

    This is actually one reason that I am so addicted to TQ.
    I can typically find a portion of any drive [ and an excuse ] to use WOT – even if only for a few seconds.
    To me, that is ‘a rush’ – and I enjoy it.
    High absolute cornering limits just mean I have wide leeway in my [ um, enthusiastic ] street driving.
    - Ray
    Admitted TQ addict – and no desire to reform . . .
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    It was a 1600, however, I placed a 2L in it as I blew the 1.6 engine. I sold it and bought a 69 510, which was a fun car, with a stroked 2L in it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,911
    well, I track my car. So :P

    ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,125
    I knew I forgot someone :surprise: . You know what I was getting at. flightnurse is a track guy too.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    They're fantastic values if you buy carefully.

    I'm convinced 90% of the problems and perceptions people have with older German cars' costs as they age is from previous owners that skimped on maintenance, or from incompetent mechanics having worked on them.

    If it is properly maintained, I can't see any problems that will be too costly with most German cars.

    That said, I think Audi is doing a better job with quality control than BMW or Mercedes lately, seen CR recently?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    Q...you've been tracking for a lng while. Those track events are well behind me. However, I do enjoy a well engineered, sporting car on a challenging road.

    NYC....we all like what we like. Cars in this class are hard to find fault with. It comes down to the different flavor you prefer.
  • leoblueleoblue Posts: 18
    I spend a lot of time driving and listening to music while driving so good sound is very important to me. I would speculate that car lovers usually love music too.

    Out of all the performance cars we've been talking about, which one do you think have best sound for music?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    Leo.....I have a Bang & Olufson system in my Audi. It's really good. But, the best I've ever heard is ithe ELS system in the Acura.

    Trailing behind those two would be the Harmon Kardon system in the BMW and Mercedes, then the Bose system in the Cadillac.

    I haven't heard the system in the Infiniti for a long while, so I can't really comment on it. I don't remember it being particularly good or bad.

    I also haven't heard the Levinson system in the Lexus for a long time, either. But again, compared to the others above, I don't recall it being a stand out.

    By the way, all these systems mentioned above are extra cost options on all of the cars they come in.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    GG there are three different versions of the B&O sound system in the Audi's, I was very impressed with the A8, with the movable tweeters on the dash, the A6 and A4 didn't have the clear highs that the A8 had.

    I had a MKS as a rental a couple of weeks back and it had their top of the line system with the THX and was impressed for a none big name connected to it that it sounded as good as it did. Never been impressed with any of the BOSE systems in any car, and the Levinson system in the Lexus is excellent.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 389
    edited May 2013
    I saw a MKZ on the road yesterday, and I have to say appearance wize it is very nice ( now do I know where it fits in performance wize no, and I am not about to guess without actually driving it agains the other cars in its class). I do think it looks much better on person than in photos ( and was quite eye catching). So I guess at least the styling direction at Lincoln is going the right way ( I have to agree with those who think the engineering side may be a bit lacking) but at least they aren't just producing an exact clone of a fusion and slapping a Lincoln grill on it and saying done, they at least differentiated it this time.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "NYC....we all like what we like. Cars in this class are hard to find fault with. It comes down to the different flavor you prefer."

    This exactly!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited May 2013
    "Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads."

    Well, I don't know about public roads... I have my fun, but I save the absolute limits for the track. I only visit the track a handful of times a year.
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