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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    edited June 2013
    something that everyone should accept as fact

    Kind of like SUVs (have larger margins), something we have all read in all types of rags but have yet to see actual figures.

    Sorry you opened yourself up to getting a little, again I agree with 90% of what you say but......
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    At least I said where I got it from and I'm pretty sure anybody that follows the industry at all will verify that the margins are better on suvs/cuvs and trucks then they are on passenger cars unless you're talking about megabuck cars like Ferrari, Bentley etc....which we aren't.

    Where did you get the the information that Acura selling TLs for big discounts equates to Acura, as a company, making little to no profit? I haven't read that anywhere.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    so a decline in sales over a period of 6 years (and giving more discounts then its comps) is a good thing for profits and brand? just like the SUV statement you made, Honda as a corporation does not break out margins by product line or atleast ive never seen it, or dont know where to get it, either do you it seems.. so my Opinion (i said it) was an educated one given the data provided.

    BTW im not here to bash honda or acura, my comments from 5 years ago stand today & HONDA posted numbers last night which were very impressive (now 2q in a row), they cited growth in Acura division.. so maybe the tide has turned, bravo to them.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    " they cited growth in Acura division.. so maybe the tide has turned, bravo to them. "

    This just shows how much you know about the financial stability of a company- all that posting about the demise of the company just went straigth out the door.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052

    Financial stability of the company... love that man- good stuff did you know that Honda corp in March had to dump 1billion into the company (acura) to get them sound enuf to start producing new products, they are far from self sufficent.

    Moodys raised them last night fyi as well-- any other corporate info i can give you let me know.. and did you know the HMC total strength was driven by the Honda divsion, CIVIC, CRV and new accord & - "citied growth in the acura division." The acura division is a pimple on the honda brand,. As posted above the sales numbers indicated the growth was not in the cars but in the suvs (maybe the ILX as well). My posts from 5 years ago and on have been correct about the sedans.. here you go
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    edited June 2013
    so a decline in sales over a period of 6 years (and giving more discounts then its comps) is a good thing for profits and brand?

    Gee, don't remember saying anything like that. But to answer your question....of course not.

    "SUVs became popular in the United States, Canada, India and Australia in the 1990s and early-2000s. U.S. automakers could enjoy profit margins of $10,000 per SUV, while losing a few hundred dollars on a compact car.[11] For example, the Ford Excursion could net the company $18,000, while they could not break even with the Ford Focus unless the buyer chose options,[12][13] leading Detroit's big three automakers to focus on SUVs over small cars."

    While this talks about Ford, from everything I've read about margins online, in magazines and in the daily newspapers say the same thing re all automakers. SUVs have much better margins than passenger cars so selling a high proportion mix of SUVs vs. passenger cars should maintain profit margins. Of course, good profit margins on all lines would be preferable. But the fact remains that your statement about Acura having little to no profit was just one big assumption. Good to see you finally admitted that your statement was basically an educated guess which is pretty much what any opinion is. Some are just more educated than others.
  • billyperksiibillyperksii Posts: 198
    What you are cut and pasting is all over the financial blogs so save your time and energy because I have two screens I sit at for 10 hrs per day.
    Also, dont you know that those top ten comparisions are subjective?
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    Some are just more educated than others. yes fact based, instead of broad statements.

    just one big assumption not really that big as its backed by sales numbers and discounts that are published.. and the fact that those said discounts are more then the comp and those said sales numbers are a third of its biggest competitor.

    we've all seen the SUV type message written in NYT or the NYP--but again you have never produced any numbers to dispute my educated opinion just broad industry chatter that suvs are high margin, wonder how acura did on the margins of the zdx last year when they sold 800, but again but why should we look at sales numbers when we have chatter on the ford focus vs excursion (hasnt been produced since 05) above above. Sales numbers do not tell the whole story- but a better story then you present. sorry
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    I'm going to purchase my next vehicle. Once the lease is up on my BMW, I want off of the "leasing hamster wheel."

    Leasing isn't for everybody, but a lot of people do it for all the wrong reasons.. BTW, I thought this was your first lease?
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524 said I was mocking you. Not intentional, just handing out some of the same medicine you do. I actually agree with you about 90% of the time. Just didn't make sense this time. Cheers.

    Interesting it's OK for Sweeny to mock others but when it happens to him he complains about it... Can't have it both way, dude.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    Hey Biily is Acura a separate car company or a division of HMC?
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    Funny thing about that back and forth it had Merritt (parkway?) on both sides. Enjoyed it actually, he's wicked smart and a good debater. You could pick some knowledge reading those posts fully.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,122
    No, not my 1st lease. I financed the TSX I had before the BMW. But maybe I should have phrased differently. I want to buy my next car and NOT get started on the leasing hamster wheel.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,015
    A reporter would like to speak to a recent buyer of a car from a manufacturer that is widely considered "American"--e.g. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Cadillac-- who has not previously owned an "American" car. If this is you, please send your daytime contact info to no later than Monday, July 1, 2013 no later than noon Pacific.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    Bored on a flight Wed night, was playing on the net and saw that BMW loaded the 4 series, the 328d and GT. One interesting note, the EPA has not released it's MPG figures for the 328d, I'm sure BMW will be doing a big media blitz once they are. I like the GT, however, the price is steep.

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I saw an ad for the 328d recently. Dont remember where but I do remember it saying 45 MPG highway.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    BMW website had been posting that figure for a while, however, it has been taken down. I believe it was also posted on Bimmerfest too.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,911
    Early reports from those who've seen the 4 series in the flesh in Europe have been mixed...especially given the pre-release version we all saw (and I personally liked).

    My local BMW dealer is having their "drive" event in about 3 weeks. I'm hoping they'll have a 4 Series there to look at, if not to test drive.
  • flightnurseflightnurse at 35K feetPosts: 1,524
    Graphic what issues are people having with the 4 series? I love the 3 series wagon, but that GT loos nice, priced the same as the wagon, suppose to have more space for the rear passengers.. Should be interesting.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,911
    FN...I don't think there's an issue with the mechanicals of the 4 series, it's more the style of it, which some have mentioned differ quite a bit from the car that was shown at the auto circuits.

    Again, I'd like to see it myself before passing judgement.
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