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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Our companies 45K mile Odyssey has a warped rotor shuttering issue; seems to be a problem with Honda Acura now that multiple have mentioned it.

    They must have received a bad batch of rotors from someone.

    Have to admit, that knowledge helped tilt the scales in favor of the S4 over the TL-SH AWD. It wasn't a game changer, but when your on the fence, every little bit helps.

    With my first luxury dealership servicing experience with Audi (they used to give free maintenance for 50K miles), I feel as if problems on a luxury car are not nearly as big of a deal. If they give you a nice loaner car, it makes it even less troublesome. I look at the bright side; you get a chance to wear and tear there car's rather than your own. No miles on your own car while they work on it makes me feel like I'm in no hurry. Of course, my longest repair job came when I got an A4 loaner, which wasn't typical at my old Audi dealership. I have a feeling that's why Miramar Audi is now know as Audi of San Diego and under different ownership. I ratted them out on customer service Audi surveys as routinely giving Enterprise Kia Sephias and Chevy Aveo's instead of Audi or VW's.

    Drive it like you stole it! Heard they gave you a A6 with the sweet 3.0?
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,475
    It is Imperial Blue (dark) or Estoril Blue (Light), the latter is M-exclusive. Monaco is an old dark blue color from several years ago, prior Deep Sea Blue, which is what I have. All three (Monaco, Imperial, Deep Sea) are close.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,593
    Our companies 45K mile Odyssey has a warped rotor shuttering issue; seems to be a problem with Honda Acura now that multiple have mentioned it.....Have to admit, that knowledge helped tilt the scales in favor of the S4 over the TL-SH AWD.

    Rotor warping is a common problem for all sorts of modern automobiles, I've experienced it with nearly every car I've owned including a couple of Hondas and a couple of Audi A4s. FWIW it has only occurred once or twice in the dozen years I've had my 528i (now over 150K) nor did it happen much on the 3 Saabs I've had.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I didn't opt for a rear backup camera on my next car, probably because it cost a lot more than $1.00; which is about all that feature is worth to me. Okay, with line/lane guidance on the video, maybe $10.00.

    However, I'd pay at least 10X that amount for a front facing dash cam that records potential litigation and insurance claim issues. Or simply to send the local PD some video of really bad drivers they really need to take off the road (and do something productive rather than ticket perfectly safe driving speeders).
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Get a go pro camera and mt to dash- plenty of Russian videos on you tube with bad drivers. I'd take a backup camera any day over lane guidance.
  • I'm with you -- backup cameras are quite helpful, as are sensors (f+r). My wife's Infiniti has the ultimate, an around view monitor with both front and rear sensors and front and rear "projection" lines that turn with the steering wheel.

    Test drove a new Bimmer X3 with their version of the all around view monitor -- it was quite nice, too. Really helps in tight parking garages and it backing out of long driveways.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Mark, I in the last 3 months, I have had 4 infiniti's as rentals, 1 G37 sedan, 2 JX, and one whale (QX). The JX and QX's were all upgrades at no cost since National did not have the SUV I had reservation for. All three had a lot of options, they had the "bird eye view" which was pretty cool, it was a big help when driving the QX (The Whale.) The front and rear senors where helpful when back up as well as the rear view camera, the QX is HUGE!!!
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    You know what else is huge.. The money I saved by switching to geico.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    ahhh, I misspoke and mis-wrote.

    I mean a back up camera is useful when the program draws lines on the screen that turn with the steering wheel which makes backing up into a parking space while turning like a video game. I don't back up into parking spaces all too often though.

    Still, I've done fine for nearly 20 years without it.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Yeah those lines are useful for spots- I also like the general camera for watching and seeing kids - but that's just me I guess
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I'll admit that larger behemoth vehicles like Minivans and SUV's benefit more from back up cameras.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Benefit more maybe - but shouldn't it be standard equipment on all cars ? Honda accord has it standard, I know consumer reports wants it standard to all, seems like its more important than lane monitoring or even blindside system someone was hyping.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,412
    The biggest feature my Acura TSX had that my BMW 328xi doesn't is a backup camera. I miss it!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Read an article this morning BMW is having issues getting oem parts to dealers because of a shortage on parts- this is tarnishing the brand overseas as customers with broken rigs can't get them fixed and BMW (overseas) not giving out loaners. I remember something similar happened to Audi / Vw as they had failing coils in the turbo 4 - huge lines to get anything done even oil changes at dealerships as a result.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,744
    The parts shortage was created by the implementation of a new supply chain logistics IT system that started in 2009. They are a year behind in implementing and it has affected their ability to manufacture parts on time. Unfortunately, once the switch is thrown, it's not easy to turn back.

    It reminds me of a company in my industry that suffered a fire at their main factory. They had plans of implementing a new manufacturing IT system around the same time. They rebuilt the factory and implemented the new system concurrently. Needless to say it took them close to a year to get things running smoothly.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    but shouldn't it be standard equipment on all cars ?

    I absolutely don't think so, and would be 100% against that. 100% option availability is OK. Those that want to increase the weight (which reduces gas mileage by the way) and add cameras, computers, wiring, cabling, and monitors to their cars, by all means do so and pay for it.

    But it should not be forced upon those that don't want or need it.

    We are beginning to make cars so safe no one can afford to buy one anymore.
  • Sween- Are you going to swap the G35 for the Q?
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Yep you are right lets strip the abs and airbags out as well.

    A mainstream sedan that sells very well, is putting them as standard equipment - nuff said
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    Will watch reviews and access pricing.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I find ABS and Airbags useful (although I've never had an airbag actually be used for me; knock on wood).

    ABS has been used countless times though; sometimes just for fun in an empty parking lot.

    The Accord does have backup camera as standard now, but the 2013 is a new feature-laden model from Honda.

    I actually considered the Accord Sport and the S4 lately. I could order the S4 without a backup camera, and did so. Not that the camera was the deciding factor, but I appreciated not being forced into it by Audi. Audi got my money; Honda didn't; nuff said.
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