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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652

    That's excellent... stick or slushbox?

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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,107

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    edited May 7

    Lamborghini Aventador crashes in Monaco!

    With the talk about crash cars and such, I figured I would post this. I have a feeling the cost to repair this will exceeded 20K

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325

    I was able to average about 29 MPG travelling to Sacramento and back down to San Diego again. That includes miserable LA traffic. The S4 with the 7-speed dual clutch is the best drivetrain for my money. Love that mileage because I drive 80+ where possible.

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,107

    @andres3 amazing in comfort you can hover 80 and have the rpm under 2k - makes for a nice highway cruse

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325

    @sweendogy said: andres3 amazing in comfort you can hover 80 and have the rpm under 2k - makes for a nice highway cruse

    Maybe they changed the gearing for 2014's.... at 76.5 MPH I'm at 2K RPM in 7th Gear. At 80 just a smidge above, maybe 2,100-2,150.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,403

    Switching gears to the current crop of ELLPS. I'm starting to see more and more MB CLAs & a few Audi A3s on the road. The CLA definitely has the "Look at me, I'm driving a Mercedes" look going for it. While the Audi is much more conservatively styled. I actually like the way the Audi looks. This new breed of ELLPS v 2.0 definitely keeps one well within the confines of a mid $30K price range which is great because the price point has definitely escalated of the traditional ELLPS since this discussion started.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,163

    After checking out both at the auto show, I vastly prefer the Audi. And the 320i BMW over the Benz.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591

    Same here, I was a bit underwhelmed by the CLA. Thought the A3 to be a handsome devil, however. A3 was on a pedestal at the NEIAS, so I could only admire from afar...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590

    @andres3 said: Maybe they changed the gearing for 2014's.... at 76.5 MPH I'm at 2K RPM in 7th Gear. At 80 just a smidge above, maybe 2,100-2,150.

    For me at 80, I'm about 2150 also, Rick in the Genesis is about 2275 at 80. Now my vette at 80 was at 1750. At a 100 it was 2100...

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590

    @nyccarguy said: Switching gears to the current crop of ELLPS. I'm starting to see more and more MB CLAs & a few Audi A3s on the road. The CLA definitely has the "Look at me, I'm driving a Mercedes" look going for it. While the Audi is much more conservatively styled. I actually like the way the Audi looks. This new breed of ELLPS v 2.0 definitely keeps one well within the confines of a mid $30K price range which is great because the price point has definitely escalated of the traditional ELLPS since this discussion started.

    I don't think CLA is really going to work as well as Audi A3 or 320i. It has the looks, but that is about it. Haven't seen any in Phoenix or Tuscon, but in San Diego, I was surprised on how many I see.

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,107

    @flightnurse - you have an s4? Or is that the 320? The corvette might the perfect sports car for the modern age- it runs with anything - is cheap - 55k for 450 plus hp and 29 mpg highway - sick

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590

    Hey Graphic what is the TL running? It's in my BMW.

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099

    FN....I'll have to look. Not quite sure what RPMs it runs at 80 MPH. I know the last road trip I took from Cincinnati to Chicago (with a little in town driving-10%) I netted 28 MPG (manual calculations). Buzzing around town, I get about 21-22 MPG.

    I've seen a couple of CLAs around here. They're lookers. Sat in one at the local auto show. Not bad, but I wonder if an Accord doesn't have a nicer interior?

    A3....a looker also. S3, probably more my speed (literally). Still trying to get over my S4 experience, though.

    Still anxious to see the new TLX in the flesh.

    And, NYC, I do agree. The ELLPS that are hitting the streets (CLA, A3, 320i, etc) are, generally speaking, an exciting bunch, given their price points.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590

    Graphic, when it comes to cars brand means a lot. Look at Hyundai, Rick's Genesis is a perfect example. It has the same content as a E class and 5 Series and the price is that of a mid level 3 series. The ride is on par with a Lexus GS, but it does not have the star on the hood or the roundel. So people could get a Accord over a CLA but wont.

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    edited May 15

    I took my S4 in for the 5,000 mile service (oil change and tire rotation) at Audi Escondido yesterday afternoon. I'm supposed to pick it up this afternoon, but they said with all the fires going on around San Diego County, one of them is close enough to them that they have been ordered to evacuate; so another day and night without the S4 it'll be. I halfway have my fingers crossed the whole place will burn down so my diminished value claim will be eliminated and I can just get a new S4 :)

    The 1,000 deductible will likely be less than my depreciation and diminished value losses, even after getting a check for diminished value, which could take a while with the speed of Mercury's decision makers.

  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590

    Andres3 I was just in San Diego the flight out, I was in awe at all of the fires.. I'm hoping people will be safe. I remember the fires that Mt Laguna had in 1970 we could see the red/orange glow at night..

    San Diego has had it's share of fires...

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    edited May 16

    @flightnurse said: Graphic, when it comes to cars brand means a lot. Look at Hyundai, Rick's Genesis is a perfect example. It has the same content as a E class and 5 Series and the price is that of a mid level 3 series. The ride is on par with a Lexus GS, but it does not have the star on the hood or the roundel. So people could get a Accord over a CLA but wont.

    FN....I think over time, and having had a fair amount of cars in my driving lifetime, it becomes clearer to me in seeing, feeling, and experiencing differences in cars. I'd be hard pressed to pick a CLA over a loaded Accord for less money.....especially given on just about every metric you use, the Accord seems to be the better car.

    As you note, however, perception is reality many times. The Genesis is a perfect example of that. I've yet to hear anyone state they went from the Mercedes or BMW dealership over to the Hyundai store to cross shop the 5/E/Genesis. On top of that, the new Genesis is quite the looker in its own right.

    BTW...was on the interstate last night. Got the TL up to 80 MPH. It was turning right around 2,100 RPM. While driving last night, I was thinking having had the twin scroll turbo in the BMW and the S/C in the Audi, while not as fast, the 3.7L in the TL spurs on quite well, and sounds expensive to boot.

    Andres....stay safe!!!!!!!

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