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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    All that plus the hybrid stuff, too.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,751
    '14 XT, so local techs told me, has adaptive engine/transimssion behavior, so after awhile, it adapts to your driving style.
    In my case, while not being aggressively driven, the vehicle's intelligent mode is becoming more responsive (quicker tip in). CVT also seems to respond more quickly.

    Compared to the old 4-speed, the CVT's more responsive. However, the rare but beloved-by-enthusiasts "throttle stomp" ;) never brings immediate response from any Subaru I've driven.

    FYI has anyone else here found the '14 XT seats firmer than the previous model year? :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They've used adaptive transmissions for a while now.

    Rolling in to the throttle seems to work better on Subarus. The only car I've owned that handles the quick stabs at the throttle well in my 08 Miata, it's incredibly responsive.

    Worst was a 1980 Ford Mustang. Throttle was like an on/off switch. If you stomped, you got a good 2-3 seconds of hesitation, so much so that it was dangerous.
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  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,751
    Almost every '14 Forester review disses the Nav system inherited from the BRZ, saying touch screen is klugey and hard to use. Unfortunately that's often true, and worse, it washes out when hit by sunlight.

    However, what isn't said is Subaru put controls on the left side of the steering wheel that let you bypass many screen touches (you can select audio mode, volume, and walk up/down the station list.
    In fact, there are _many_ controls on the steering wheel, including selectors for the center dash display and (through that display) vehicle modes.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's good, but let's see a bigger screen. Competitors have 7" or even 8" screens.

    The opening is double DIN sized, I think, so 7" should be a piece of cake. 8" would require a new surround.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,735
    edited April 2013
    The "march to 20" rims" is basically a 'keeping up with the Joneses' problem. The auto writers seem to hone in on anything still delivered with 16" wheels as "inadequate". Why? Track test results? Form over Function.

    My OBW came standard with 225/60-16, with all-season rubber. My winter tire package is 215/65-16. Yes, the handling is slightly sharper with the lower profile tires, but the ride is Sooooo much nicer with the 65 series.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Testify!!
    I have ranted before about the silly big rim trend. Serves no real purpose other than looks in a non performance model. Replacements and snow tires can be ridiculously expensive. Make for a harsher ride. My WRX runs the stock 17's in Summer, but 16's in the winter, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
    Cold weather makes the tires harder anyway and with most of our roads very rough from uneven snow cover during a solid 3 months of our 6 months snow season, I appreciate the extra cushion.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For the Miata I went to slightly taller tires, also for a better ride. No regrets.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 322
    Totally agree on the tires not shedding snow on my stock tires. I'm in CO and my wheel wells get so chock full of compacted snow that I think it affects the mileage. It also affects turning. I have also slid out on city streets with not much snow on them. Not at all like my old subie!

    I really wish I had known the 16" rims were available for my 2010. The 17" make the car too tall for me not only to get into easily, but to put the canoe on top, etc. Even losing that 1" would be better. And wouldn't rollover possibility diminish some with the lower profile?

    For those who switch to the 16" wheels for winter: Is it easy to reprogram the odometer, etc.?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    For those who switch to the 16" wheels for winter: Is it easy to reprogram the odometer, etc.?

    AFAIK, you can't reprogram the odometer/speedometer. You just have to know what your actual speed is vs the indicated speed.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 322
    Yikes, that would be a worry. Do you know if the dealer can reprogram the odometer/speedometer, mpg, etc?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    edited April 2013
    Yikes, that would be a worry. Do you know if the dealer can reprogram the odometer/speedometer, mpg, etc?

    The dealership probably can but if you change to a smaller diameter for snow tires, the difference would be a small percentage and not worth worrying about.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    Unless you did so intentionally, you wouldn't necessarily lose any ride height or change the speedometer's calibration appreciably. When going to 16" rims, you simply get tires that have a 1/2" taller sidewall.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, a Minus One, as the tire industry calls it.

    I had 205/70R15 snows on my '98. 16" rims came with 60 series tires, so diameter was about the same.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think with Toyota's part ownership they're not taking any chances. Floor mats! funny...
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    But sgloon feels the car is too tall for entry/exit, reaching the roof and that the wheel wells pack up with snow due to the large diameter so minus one sizing (with the same overall diameter) would still create all the issues he has.

    IMHO, going to a smaller size to reduce height and diameter really won't make much of a difference.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    edited April 2013
    Right, but dropping to a smaller tire diameter.... enough to make an appreciable effect on the issues you cited, would have a huge impact on the car's calibration. With everything being electronic these days, I would think that stuff could be adjusted using a factory "scan tool," but others have said they are non-adjustable?

    Bigger wheels do allow for bigger brakes, but since we can still put 16" wheels on these cars, what is the justification for 18? Kinda like the fins on Cadillacs about half a century ago..... :(

    FWIW, I use the door sills as steps when securing overhead loads. The rear bumper shell also has a nice step for this purpose, assuming the bumper protector is installed. Otherwise, it can be slippery when wet!
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Smaller rims but larger aspect = same overall diameter but cushier ride.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,662
    G'day

    Having lusted after the Subaru BRZ and Toyota 86 since their introduction, I sat in one today. The shock was the discovery that the seats are too low and too tight for me.

    I will just have to make do with my eight year old Toyota Kluger which seems to roll on cheaply from year to year. Now has 210,000km (about 130,000 miles) and is costing very little to run with today's service on AUD300. I have promised myself that I will replace it when it costs AUD3,000 in a month.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    mike once famously said he wanted "paisan sized" seats in a vehicle. ;)
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 685
    The shock was the discovery that the seats are too low and too tight for me.

    I also sat in one recently: seats too low, too tight, too hard. It makes my Forester feel like a limo!

    My local dealer for quite some time has had no takers for two of them.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,751
    Seats have little bolstering and seem pretty hard, could be tilted towards door as my shoulders keep hitting right side of seat.

    Navigation display would benefit enormously from being OLED (LCD washes out in sun). Steering wheel controls for nav/entertainment are handy, while voice commands are sluggish and error prone.

    Subaru dealers apparently have no parts lists for the '14's yet so if something breaks, they can't order anything. Service training for these is just starting. Apparently this is becoming a major trend with new model releases (GM does same thing, etc.). :sick:

    Consumers Union's hinting '14 Forester ride's deteriorated. Not sure what they mean. The XT's definitely firmer than before: you'll feel undulations and road surface. But actual bumps or potholes seem well damped. The '09 XT I had would kick up, crash and rattle its rear end over speed bumps, while the '14 simply absorbs most of bump without fuss.

    XT's engine's burning no oil whatsoever :) .

    Floor mats have showed no sign of curling, but they'll be replaced once the dealer gets the recall parts.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It handles better and corners flatter, so there had to be some trade off.

    CR complained about the tech, too.

    I think Subaru needs a full reboot. Just partner with Toyota and use Entune. That system uses your smart phone, so no monthly fees. The option is affordable, too.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,481
    Thanks for the frequent updates, but ... you should be posting them in the 2014 Forester topic.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah it's nice on my BMW and Jag it goes in .1 mile increments. Always bothered me that the subie ones were in .3 increments.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I actually told the CEO of SOA that a few years before the 2010 Legacy came out. He told me through his translator, that the next legacy would be "Paisan" sized!

    He was right, they just failed to put the proper HP in the H6 model and the wrong size brakes... :(

    -mike paisan
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,751
    "Thanks for the frequent updates, but ... you should be posting them in the 2014 Forester topic. "

    Didn't know that topic existed...done. Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It also waits a mile before displaying any average at all.

    Else you could zero the odometer, coast down hill, and get 99mpg. :D
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