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Isuzu Ascender

porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
Here is the new Trooper replacement:


http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4768&sid=176&n=156


And you can find more info at:


http://www.isuzu.com/


It looks like a Chevy/Olds/GMC in the extended wheelbase version. It should since it is built off of the same platform and at the same factory.


Too bad.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,865
    And thanks for spelling it correctly :-)

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  • This is the final nail in the coffin for Isuzu. Their bread and butter was affordable SUVs, NOT large luxury SUVs. For how much the Ascender will cost, I can get an MDX or even a low-end M-class.

    Isuzu needs to decontent this thing and bring it in at the low $20s. Olds, Chevrolet and GMC already have the high end taken care of.

    The first Rodeo is a prime example. IT was bare-bones, even at that time and it sold like wild fire. The second generation comes out and the sales tank.

    Look at the X-Terra. It is bare-bones by comparison to other SUVs and it is selling like crazy because they are cheap and durable.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    Cost is certainly one issue that is going to be the ***-ender (couldn't resist it Steve :) )of this truck but also the fact that it will be indistinguishable. In a parking lot or in your driveway people will say that you own a General Motors product not an Isuzu. Depending upon if that's all right with you it may not be a problem. However, if you are a car company wanting to create an identity it's not the place you want to start.

    Nissan didn't just pull itself out of the ashes by giving the public the same old same old. An oversimplification maybe, but their new products are certainly identifiable.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,675
    Are you aware that the extended wheelbase TrailBlazer, Envoy, and now the Ascender too, all have a wheelbase 1" less than a full-size Suburban? That is nuts!

    GM has to add a full 16" in both wheelbase and length, in order to add the third row seating. The Explorer, Mountaineer and Aviator are all able to get fold-down third row seating in the same wheelbase as the standard-length TrailBlazer. You can thank the IRS that the Explorer, etc., for this much better, and much more efficient packaging.

    At 129" for the wheelbase, the breakover angle on the Ascender, et al, must be miserable. The turning circle must be Suburban-like too.

    I mean really, if I were considering a vehicle with a 129" wheelbase, I'd opt for the 130" wheelbase Suburban, and get the real thing. Even the '03 full-size Expedition only has a wheelbase of 119," and it has fold-down rear seats too. The full-size 3-seat Tahoe has a wheelbase of 115." GM really blew it on this one.

    I also agree with the Car Connection link, in that this new Ascender will probably be the final nail in Isuzu's coffin.

    Bob
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Put Isuzu out of its misery. With the Trooper, Rodeo and Amigo (err Rodeo Sport) going the way of the dinosaur, and the Axiom and VehiCross barely scaring the competition, it's amazing that Isuzu has survived this long.

    P.S.- the final nail in the coffin will be the Isuzu compact pickup that will share everything with the upcoming redesigned Chevy S-10/Colorado.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,675
    the manufacturers have discovered the perils of badge-engineering, GM pulls a stunt like this. They deserve whatever they get.

    Bob
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,865
    "The Ascender is going to be a great addition to the line and should tap into a different group of customers,"

    San Antonio Express-News

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  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    The ones that prefer to drive around in a Japanese badged Envoy XL?
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    I agree, probably also part of the same crowd that is chasing the Mazda Tribute.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I think the problem with the Tribute analogy is that the Tribute, IMO, looks WAY better than its Ford stablemate. At least that's an incentive for people to choose it over the Escape. The Ascender, from the pictures shown so far, looks almost IDENTICAL to an Envoy.
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    Bob,

    Actually the extended wheelbase of 16" makes lots of sense. A> anytime you have weight (passangers) on or behind the rear axle it create an unstable situation if the vehical skids. B> there is some storage space. On the Explorer or Durango there is very little space behind the third seat.

    Take a family of 5. 3 kids won't sit quietly next to each other for a 3 hour trip to Grandma's. Now one can be in the 3rd seat and each has 'space', and room for luggage too.

    Also with the 3rd seat down I can actually fit my portable ice shack (50" long) in the back and take my daughter (age 4) in her car seat correctly put in the second row of seats. I couldn't do that in any of the other 'short' models reguardless of make.

    Will this doom Isuzu? maybe. But the size/length and towing ability fit a unique spot.

    --jay
  • dwinzendwinzen Posts: 10
    I have wanted to purchase a Trooper for 10 years but didn't have a strong reason until my three kids started getting bigger and my purchase of a popup trailer (Plymouth Grand Voyagers just cant hack it). Two years ago, I bought a Trooper and have loved it ever since. I've heard complaints about gas mileage, duh, it weighs 5000#, can haul large items when the seats are down and is basically a side-by-side fridge traveling on wheels. It is a great vehicle.

    The point to this message is that I have mixed emotions regarding the new Ascender. I am concerned about its durability and longevity since Troopers are bulletproof. But there is the one thing the Ascender will have the other GM branded SUVs won't: a 10 year, 120,000 mile warranty. Also, like jay_24 said, I have three kids and the third seat can definitely be used.

    Think about it. Isuzu is doing this so they can continue having a "name" in the states. I will mourn the demise of the best SUV made for the masses but at least we have something else that can tow (7200# with the V8) and relax knowing that if something does break, it is under a very, very long warranty.

    What do the rest of you think?
  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    Has everyone read the GM Triplets posts? Engine failures, hesitation when cold, everything is a 'software upgrade,' 4wd binding, paint chipping, body pieces falling off or coming loose, more and more and more.

    The Isuzu warranty, if it is still around, is a plus, but why-oh-why couldn't they have made at least front and rear fascia changes and a unique dashboard and steering wheel? At least each of the GM vehicles 'looks' somewhat different.

    The Ascender seems like an afterthought, a "we'll probably not sell that many anyway" styling cue.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    I haven't been following those posts but have been continually hearing of the recalls. I have to think that there are a few execs over at Isuzu sweating bullets right now thinking that there repair warranties on these things are certainly going to push them into bankruptcy.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,675
    << But the size/length and towing ability fit a unique spot. >>

    It's wheelbase is within 1" of the full-size Chevy Suburban. The overall length is much longer than that of the Explorer, and not far from the Suburban. It's actually much longer than the much more capable (and roomier) '03 Expedition.

    I would buy an new Explorer, an new '03 Expedition, Tahoe or Suburban before I would buy an Ascender, or any of the LWB GM versions.

    Bob
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    you have some vaid points. however the waranty if its 10/100000 is better than the GM trio and the gas millage is about 20% better on the highway compared to the Tahoe/Expedition/Burban.

    Cost for the Tahoe/Expedition/Burban is more too. Perhaps not signifcant since they all are pretty pricey.

    Width can be an issue in the garage too. The extra 5 or 6 inches the Tahoe/Expedition/Burban have may make them too wide parked next to my subaru. After buying any one these vehicles I can't afford a new garage too.

    Heck this ascender might not be perfect. But it can tow, haul the family of 5, and fit in the garage.

    If my Subaru was a bit longer/wider and could tow #4000 then I'd be set. Until Subaru makes that vehicle I'm searching.

    Will I buy an Ascender? maybe not, I'm just saying it deserves a look.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,675
    << If my Subaru was a bit longer/wider and could tow #4000 then I'd be set. >>

    This you and I agree on...

    :)

    As far as the Ascender is concerned, I predict it will be about as successful in the marketplace as the current Isuzu (S-10) pickup.

    Bob
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    about how successful any vehicle from Isuzu will be. With sales going like they are there won't be an Isuzu.


    http://auto.com/targetnews/articles/Automotive/05_24_2002.reulb-story-bcautosjapanisuzuearnings.html

  • sjwsmwsjwsmw Posts: 131
    They named it the Ascender as that is what is going to happen when Isuzu is finally killed by GM. Ascend to heaven.
    Now that is forward thinking!

    I give the Mazda Tribute buys some credit as it was Mazda that designed the Tribute not Ford.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    It's called the Ascender because it is the "back" end(er) of their production/company.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hmmm IIRC the Escape/Tribute use the engine and tranny from the contour. I wouldn't be proud of the Escape/Tribute how many recalls? Like 8 in the first 3 months :)


    The Ascendor is what the market wants. They don't want REAL Isuzu trucks like the Trooper and Rodeo, they want SMVs.


    -mike

    http://isuzu-suvs.com

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,675
    the Ascender is what the market wants at all. It's what GM wants. The best thing it's got going for it is the warranty (which you may well need).

    Bob
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    if they can release their product under a different name they just get more marketshare. It is unfortunate that their big new re-design of their mid-size SUV is so bad. Maybe after 5 years on real life testing they will work the bugs out and it will be OK.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    I think you hit the nail right on the head. GM is writing Isuzus future (and it ain't good).
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,865
    Isuzu Posts $344M Loss for Year

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  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    That's the whole problem when the finance types have too much sway in running a car company. We have seen it twice in Australia.

    The vicious circle starts when the company posts a poor financial result. The instant reaction is to cut costs, usually done by hitting the easy targets such as labor and marketing. My view is to increase investment in making the product more competitive in the market place. Isuzu blew this big time. There are so many good points to the Trooper that just weren't pushed adequately.

    Holden went through a similar period in the 80's when it was nearly wiped off the radar. Somehow, the car designers managed to rest control back from the bean counters and at the end of the 80's had released a car that Australia WANTED. It was back on top in 2 years and now outstrips every manufacturer by a huge margin. And, the product is of good quality!

    An example of this is the latest Monaro. There is no way a bean counter would have agreed to the investment to produce this car, if the designers didn't manage to get a prototype to the Sydney Motor Show in 1998. The orders started flooding in, even though production wasn't planned. Holden simply couldn't ignore the public reaction.

    If Isuzu designers were able to at least build a protoype of the next Trooper, instead of the Axiom, it probably would have seen the light of day. They have all the technology for it already.

    And if it was built at SIA, then who knows. Maybe GM would have been open-minded enough to also badge it as an Envoy and Trailblazer!!!

    Anything is possible ... just look at what you might get as your next Pontiac GTO!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yep the problem is that Lutz already said they won't bring over anymore non-US built cars to the GM lineup due to wanting to keep the UAW happy. It's sad that such an organization is so powerful over GMs future.

    -mike
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Posts: 324
    I didn't think GM made any of those anymore ;-)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    UAW built. The UAW thugs don't care where the actual money comes from so long as they get it. :)

    -mike
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    ... that all that can happen on this forum is to attempt an assasination of the Ascender!
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