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Ford Mustang (2004 and earlier)



  • looks like a Mercedes, specifically the 500 SL convertible.

    Remember, Ford has plenty of time to finesse the cars sheetmetal. It ain't over after the first ones hit the streets. Look at the current generation of Mustangs, it is only in the last three years that they really became good looking. Remember originally they had those lame horizontal tailights?

    I think the biggest threat to the new Mustang may be something we are not really thinking about: gas prices. Let's hope they stay under control or we'll be talking about hybrids in this forum in a few years.

    Finally, sorry about my newfound prejudice in favor of American cars. I know that is another thread. But now there is this stuff about how driving a low gas mileage car supports terrorism. It is a bit ridiculous but maybe the guy driving the Civic is actually doing the country more good than us Mustang folks. Of course, I guess we could drive Foci (plural for the Ford Focus).
  • Ah, I don't think anyone will mistake it for a SL500. It has a very domestic-styled look about it.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Speaking of threats to the new Mustang's success, I am amazed that sources and articles still claim that the GT will have around 400 hp when it debuts.

    If it really turns out to be true, the insurance premimums will be astromonical...and won't sales suffer ala the Camaro and Firebird?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    in the major publications state that the production '05 Stangs will not have 400hp except possibly in Cobra versions. This makes sense when you consider they're trying to keep the price @ current levels (loaded GT 'vert just below $30k).
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    That would certainly seem more reasonable. Maybe I've just been looking at bad sample of publications...some actually do seem to be sticking with the 400 hp figure.

    I'd imagine somewhere in the 285-300 hp range for the GT, right?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    my guess is around 260-270 for the GT perhaps a bit more for special editions. Bullitt and Mach versions might hit the figures you suggest John.

    MY '86 GT 'vert had only 200hp, it was fast enough to get you into big trouble in a big hurry.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    My '02 has 260 hp, and that's more than enough for big trouble; the usual insurance rates for these cars attest to that.

    I'm always amused by the people who get honestly upset that Mustangs don't come from the factory with *at least* 400 hp. I mean they can't all be John what do the rest of them plan on doing with these cars?

    And where do they live that they obviously have plenty of uncongested highways in which to use them?
  • My guess is that they'll want the GT to be competitive with the 350Z in straight-line acceleration. Depending on how much the new 'stang weighs, that would probably mean at least 290-300 HP.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    Mustang GTs would likely undersell the equivalent Z by around $5k so they need not be as fast. The gap would be even wider for convertibles.

    If you want to spend the money Ford will make it possible to blow off a Z but likely you'll need a special edition or Cobra to do it.

    I can't even imagine what the insurance on a 300hp+ Mustang will be, especially for young guys.
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    I'd expect the next GT to be a bit higher than the current models, if only by a token amount. I'm figuring 275 hp for the GT with a variety of higher-performance editions.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    worried about those pesky Camaros, Barracudas or Javelins. Copmpetition does improve the breed but lack of competition.....
  • i'm planning on buying the new model the year after it's initially introduced. one reason being i think a few kinks will need to be worked out. secondly, the price. i think i'll need to save as much as possible from the look. do you guys think a car that pretty will have the ferocious growl we all know and love?
  • but have you all heard about the estimate that gas will hit $2.00 a gallon soon?

    What do you think, are 4 cylinders looking better?
    A 4 cylinder Mustang? Could the party be over?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    as long as they're hooked up to a turbocharger<;^)
  • Is when me and the Dodge will have a parting of the ways and I'm gonna purchase a V6 'Stang!
  • Hey, gas is already $2 a gallon in parts of America and has been for a year or more.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    With gasoline prices, the important thing to remember is the "relativity" of the price compared to income and inflation, not simply the nominal price.

    The average price for a gallon of gas right now across the U.S. is somewhere around $1.50. However consider the average price for a gallon of gas in 1953 -- 65 cents. Seems cheap, right? But take this price, adjust it for inflation and you get a price for a gallon of gas of $1.95 (in today's dollars). So gas is actually cheaper now than it was in 1953.

    In economics, as in physics, everything is relative... : )
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,403
    Gas was around $.30/gal or less in '53, was that a typo? I think your point is valid tho.

    I remember buying gas for less than 30 cents/gal in the mid 60s and that's in NYC which had some of the most expensive gas in the US..
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Oops...Indeed my mistake! I was writing one thing while thinking something else. Also, I wasn't even alive in the 60s myself, so it's all anecdotal to me anyway... : )

    Though I can still remember when most gas stations had "full service" pumps! (though I hear some parts of the country still have them, but due to more state job creation laws than an actual market for them)
  • inflation, but still, as gas prices rise to $2.00 a gallon and higher, do you think we will see cars like the V-8 Mustang decline in popularity?

    I went from the Civic HX (one of the most fuel efficient cars on the road) to the Mustang GT, so obviously I am experiencing a big change. But still, Police departments are now even starting to switch to hybids. Is the day of the Mustang V-8's nearing an end, and thus our (my?) nostalgia or is this gas issue no big deal?
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