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Are new Subarus really as bad as I am hearing?

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    The original poster was (I'm assuming) asking about mainstream Subarus. I wouldn't build a brands reputation on just one model, like the WRX. Subaru has an excellent track record with "normal" cars, in terms of reliability.

    Bob
  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    Shiftright's post #44: Pretty funny about wanting to rip off "the flimsy hood". Actually, it's aluminum alloy to save weight and a rather exotic feature to have in this price range. Doing away with the hood scoop won't work--it's essential for getting 227 hp out of a two liter engine--you need that extra air for the intercooler. I agree about the brakes, though, and think a 4-piston Brembo upgrade at some point is a good investment.
    For the money, the WRX is hard to beat. In almost 1 year and 7000 mi., we've had only two minor problems--road grit that got into the spring beds after a rainstorm and had to be cleaned out and lubed, and a check engine light that came on after buying some off-brand gas (it later went off after 1 1/2 tanks of Premium Amoco.) Not bad for a car in its 1st year of production.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    Many thanks for the tip. I could get to Burt in Denver during a day trip. I wouldn't mind dragging a rider/driver with me to Joplin, for that matter, but the deal would need to be REAL tight! >:oÞ
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is the same as outside the US, same goes for the chassis etc. I have no idea what Shiftright is talking about.

    -mike
  • pgh4pgh4 Posts: 13
    Our 2000 Outback (perfect until now) is experincing hesitation, stalling, bucking, in slow moving traffic. Yesterday, started to buck slightly at hgwy speed. Problem is sporadic but getting worse. Can make for dangerous situations.
    Dealer could not duplicate last week and no bad codes given on computer. Already tried different gas, different octane lvls etc. Read a Subie owner website yeserday and apparently I'm not the only one. Going back to dealer next week. I suggested a new fuel filter, and service mgr said nahhh...it's not that. Any thoughts or similar experiences..?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Have you disconnected your battery for 2hrs and reconnected and tried driving? It could need an ECU reset. Another thing is it may be covered under the new recall for ECU upgrades that some of the owners are getting.

    -mike
  • pgh4pgh4 Posts: 13
    Thanks.... I'll try the battery disconnect, and mention the ECU recall at next week's dealer visit.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You can call SOA on their 800# with your VIN and they'll tell you if your car is covered by the recall.

    -mike
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    rexaroo---I don't think the aluminum hood is a good idea. I have a lot of experience with dealing with aluminum bodied cars of the "classic" variety, and between mechanics and passers-by it causes a lot of unintentional damage.

    A gentleman's bet says this AL hood will disappear next round due to complaints.

    I think the use of aluminum is good but not in that part of an automobile. Next to doors, it's the worst part I think, and if you've ever tried working aluminum in repairs, it isn't easy. Harder than fiberglas I think.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    They are just replaced.

    -mike
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    How much is that, I'm curious.

    maybe it's not a big deal if not too expensive.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Than any other hood. It's the price you pay for a sports car @ $23.5K.

    -mike
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    complaints (if any) on the aluminum hood. The reception has been so good that it has been incorporated into the 2K3 Forester. Weight, heat displacement, etc.

    Thanks!

    Patti
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    I haven't been appointed as the disciplinarian for this thread, but I might suggest that your rude commentary will lead to the demise of an otherwise pleasurable little exchange.
  • armac13armac13 Posts: 1,129
    you see my comment as being rude. I did not use the term "ignorant" as a pejorative, rather in it's literal means of "lacking knowledge". There is no shame in lacking knowledge. I do not make repeated or extended comments about GM products, for example, simply because I lack a meaningful knowledge base. Lacking the knowledge, I keep my opinions to myself.

    Ross
  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    My feeling is he has a lot of experience with cars of a more expensive nature (Beemers, Alphas, etc.) and is maybe a little skeptical that Subies can be as well-built as the more "upscale" kind.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    My guess is that that they would be more expensive to replace, since aluminum is more expensive than steel.

    Bob
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    If you don't wish to believe aluminum panels on a car are softer than steel that is certainly your privilege but it isn't your privilege to be rude on this board. Subaru Team gave us some good feedback data to listen to and evaluate ......which, is, of course, the whole idea of discourse.

    The host's suggestion is that if you want to start another Sabaru cheering section there are plenty around. This board was started by someone who wants to know the bad things if any or if what he is hearing is true or not.

    So this topic includes all Subaru dirty laundry, to be aired and criticially examined for accuracy.

    If you don't want to hear about possible Subaru defects, please feel free and welcome to join topics that don't discuss them. If you want to help people with misconceptions, give them good solid data to work with.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    the AL hoods are only on a minute amount of the vehicles. And Mr. Shiftright, we all know that the scoops aren't gonna get ripped off the hood, that is a pretty mis-informed statement if I ever heard one.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    I have no problem airing Subaru's dirty laundry. There are many such topics for other brands like that scattered throughout the Edmunds forms. There are titled: " Problems."

    The "wording" of this title of this thread "suggests," that Subarus are cars with LOTS of problems, which is not the case. The title of this thread is sensationalistic, if not downright irresponsible. That I object to.

    Bob
  • stoner420stoner420 Posts: 165
    I traded in a 2000 Honda Accord last month for a WRX, 25 miles short of 1000 now, and so far I do not regret the transaction at all (and that was one of my key concerns "will I regret this?")... save for a few minor issues (what perfect car exists that has NO minor issues?) this car feels as solidly and smoothly built as my honda (and paint quality is no worse than honda's, unless you hate honda in which case that's not much of a comparison ;-) plus it drives a heck of a lot better too! Ah, there's nothing like soaking wet I-95 with AWD!

    If you want to learn about all potential issues, follow these boards, follow the i-club or other subaru-oriented boards, and you will see all the dirty laundry and then some that possibly exists anywhere with Subarus. I am not seeing complaints of anywhere near a frequency (especially not related to obvious driver abuse) that would concern me about my car's quality.
  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    if the founder of this discussion would explain a little more fully what model(s) Subaru these three unhappy owners were talking about, and what exactly was the nature of their "major mechanical problems."
    So far in over 100 posts, we've only seen mention of a few minor problems like hesitation and stalling, nothing about major failures on important components like drivetrain and engine.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,013
    Okay, since nobody's getting the point and everyone only wants to argue, let's just wrap this up.

    Burd, if you would like to start the topic up again, please feel free to do so and we'll try to keep the topic on a fact-finding basis and/or not allow certain posters to partcipate in that particular topic.

    thank you

    MrShiftright
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