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Are new Subarus really as bad as I am hearing?

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Maybe I should start a thread, "Are Subarus really as good as I am hearing?"

    It just puts a very "negative" slant on the brand, that's not justified.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    "I hear X blow up at 50K miles is this true?"

    -mike
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    Speaking of Boulder, Denver, and other communities along the front range, or near: Do you have an opinion about which dealership(s) will really get the price down on a cash purchase of a new Subaru (Forester is my conditional preference). I would buy one if the price was right. If the dealers think they are sitting on little gold mines, I'll seek another brand.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,626
    We can't really say if its justified or not. The car hasn't been out that long. It takes 2-3 years for a model to prove itself. None of the auto mags that I read have even completed a Long Term Test on them.

    Dodge Neon for instance came roaring out of the gate, got great press, went racing, Skip Barber used them as track cars for all their ads. Only after a while did we start hearing about the head gaskets.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    There hasn't been a new engine in the subaru line for years, except for the H6 3.0

    Every other engine has been out since '99

    -mike
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,626
    WRX is what I'm talking about, as this is the Subaru most people are talking about on this board. So a couple of years for Consumer Reports to collect data, maybe a few Long Term Reports from auto magazines, and a good longterm reliability score from JD Powers, is what I personally require to declare a car "exceptionally good". I've seen too many cars go sour to automatically embrace the early rave reviews. Call me a skeptic, that's how I think anyway.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The WRX engine is OLD nothing new about it at all. It hasn't changed since about 97ish maybe even earlier.

    -mike
  • stoner420stoner420 Posts: 165
    Though the 2002 US model obviously is a fairly substantial overhaul from older/foreign-market Imprezas, it's really only "new" to the US and has existed for several years in other markets. See http://www.sidc.co.uk/faq.htm for "The Subaru Impreza FAQ" (last updated Feb. 12, 2000 even!)


    Even the controversial ABS issue does not really seem to be new with the 2002 model: http://www.sidc.co.uk/faq.htm#3.12

  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    fleetwoodsimca--from our experience the Rocky Mtn. dealers won't budge much on the price if they have a hot seller, which the new Forester looks to be. You might try talking to Dave Owen at Burt Subaru, 303-761-7453. They are pretty good over-all and #1 in customer satisfaction here in Denver.

    When we shopped for our WRX last July, nobody in the region would give us even a nickel off on the car, and we ended up buying for $500 over invoice from Roper Subaru in Joplin, Mo. Not as bad as it sounds because these are great people to work with and will ship the car free of charge to a convenient spot in Kansas for you to pick up. Then you have an easy hwy drive home on I-70 for a beautiful break-in on the engine (vary your speed 50-80 and don't use the cruise control.) If you want to go that route, talk to Jeremy Strup at 1-800-743-0311 Ext. 5567. He gave us a fantastic deal when nobody else would, and I know he'll make you happy on your Forester.

    --rexaroo
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,626
    WRX is new to this country with all US engine, chassis, safety standards in place, so it's a fairly new package here. Old WRX goes way back in Japan, maybe ten years.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    The original poster was (I'm assuming) asking about mainstream Subarus. I wouldn't build a brands reputation on just one model, like the WRX. Subaru has an excellent track record with "normal" cars, in terms of reliability.

    Bob
  • rexaroorexaroo Posts: 174
    Shiftright's post #44: Pretty funny about wanting to rip off "the flimsy hood". Actually, it's aluminum alloy to save weight and a rather exotic feature to have in this price range. Doing away with the hood scoop won't work--it's essential for getting 227 hp out of a two liter engine--you need that extra air for the intercooler. I agree about the brakes, though, and think a 4-piston Brembo upgrade at some point is a good investment.
    For the money, the WRX is hard to beat. In almost 1 year and 7000 mi., we've had only two minor problems--road grit that got into the spring beds after a rainstorm and had to be cleaned out and lubed, and a check engine light that came on after buying some off-brand gas (it later went off after 1 1/2 tanks of Premium Amoco.) Not bad for a car in its 1st year of production.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    Many thanks for the tip. I could get to Burt in Denver during a day trip. I wouldn't mind dragging a rider/driver with me to Joplin, for that matter, but the deal would need to be REAL tight! >:oÞ
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is the same as outside the US, same goes for the chassis etc. I have no idea what Shiftright is talking about.

    -mike
  • pgh4pgh4 Posts: 13
    Our 2000 Outback (perfect until now) is experincing hesitation, stalling, bucking, in slow moving traffic. Yesterday, started to buck slightly at hgwy speed. Problem is sporadic but getting worse. Can make for dangerous situations.
    Dealer could not duplicate last week and no bad codes given on computer. Already tried different gas, different octane lvls etc. Read a Subie owner website yeserday and apparently I'm not the only one. Going back to dealer next week. I suggested a new fuel filter, and service mgr said nahhh...it's not that. Any thoughts or similar experiences..?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Have you disconnected your battery for 2hrs and reconnected and tried driving? It could need an ECU reset. Another thing is it may be covered under the new recall for ECU upgrades that some of the owners are getting.

    -mike
  • pgh4pgh4 Posts: 13
    Thanks.... I'll try the battery disconnect, and mention the ECU recall at next week's dealer visit.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You can call SOA on their 800# with your VIN and they'll tell you if your car is covered by the recall.

    -mike
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,626
    rexaroo---I don't think the aluminum hood is a good idea. I have a lot of experience with dealing with aluminum bodied cars of the "classic" variety, and between mechanics and passers-by it causes a lot of unintentional damage.

    A gentleman's bet says this AL hood will disappear next round due to complaints.

    I think the use of aluminum is good but not in that part of an automobile. Next to doors, it's the worst part I think, and if you've ever tried working aluminum in repairs, it isn't easy. Harder than fiberglas I think.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    They are just replaced.

    -mike
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