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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
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    ...where a lot of posts went, they went good-bye. As promised.

    The subject here is Tundra vs Silverado. If you have other things to discuss, we have forums for those subjects. If you can't discuss the topic at hand in a civil manner, then please log out, take a deep breath, and calm down.

    If the name calling persists, then we take stronger measures.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    GM has two engines ( 6.0L & 6.2L ) that approach or exceed the Tundra 5.7L. Howwever for now it seems that they are limiting the availability of both these engines in the new T900's. By doing this they are making the 5.3L the workhorse to fight the battle against the 5.7L Tundra engine.
    Remember, the 5.7L isn't the only engine available in the Tundra. It too comes at a hefty premium over the base engines.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    half as much as this?
    1 ton
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    That one is that 1 ton one now? Who is that factory trickin with that one now? Is them new tundra ones full size? If that one is 1 ton now, and them tundra ones is 1/2 ton, them ones sure seem small next to them big3 ones. Has any folks really seen them new tundra ones? Any pictures of them tundra ones up next to a big3 one? That 1 ton one sure don't look full size now. Can you get that flat bed on them tunda ones? That flat bed sure is lookin good for farm workin and such. We got a flat bed on that 52, and it works good for haulin. Good luck on this one now!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The premium for the 5.7L is only $1300 over the 4.7L. The 5.7L Tundra is the same price as the 5.3L GM and 5.4L Ford engines.
  • I ordered a Silverado recently. Here's why. I've owned 2 Toyota (pre-Tacoma) 4x4 pickups. The first was a 1985, the second a 1992. I had problems with both that I didn't think I should have had. Both trucks were extremely well maintained.

    The 1985:
    1)blown head gasket (22RE engine)
    2)noisy valves (not an actual probem, just annoying as all get out)
    When I sold it, it had 90K mi.

    The 1992:
    1)Head gaskets replaced (v-6, done under factory recall)
    When the dealer did the work they buggered up a skid plate bolt and a pulley. This took 3 separate trips (and lots of time and nastygram letters to the dealer) to resolve.
    2)Switch replaced on the transfer case to shift into 4WD. About $400 ($50 parts + $350 labor)
    3)Transmission shift plate replaced ($250)
    4)Steering tie rod replaced (factory recall)
    5)Horrible screeching noise when the steering wheel is turned fully either way (not a major actual problem but very annoying).
    6)Cooling fan completely broke off of the pulley. I was very lucky it didn't completely waste the radiator. This damage almost cost me an expensive hunting trip in addition to the repair cost.
    Keep in mind this all occurred before the odo reached 75K mi.

    Again, both of these vehicles were maintained impeccably and were never abused or even worked very hard.

    The point I'm making is that some people seem to worship at the Toyota quality altar. Would I buy another Toyota? Heck yes! But I have a realistic view of what Toyota is capable of building. I also know enough about Toyota that I wouldn't buy a Tundra with an entirely new engine AND transmission. I'd wait a couple years. In my personal experience Toyota ranks 'fair to O.K.' in reliability, far from the 'excellent' that I seem to read a lot about. And, the dealer repair experience has been a decidedly a mixed bag.

    Say what you want, but at least with the Silverado the basic engine design has been around the block a time or two. The 4-speed auto trans also seems to get criticized for not being a 5-speed or 6-speed. But guess what? It's a reliable proven design. I'll take a 4-speed that works any time over a 17-speed that doesn't. I'm old enough to remember the good old days when the only options were a Turbo Hydramatic 3-speed or a 2-speed Powerglide. That Turbo Hydro 400 won a lot of races! Somehow the Republic survived with 2-speeds and 3-speeds. A good 4-speed? I'm in clover!

    I made up my mind that if a U.S. maker ever offered a truck with the features I wanted I would buy it. I WANT to buy American, but I also don't want to waste my money. Chevy finally offered it with the new Silverado. This is no guarantee of course. If the Silverado doesn't measure up I'll sell it and maybe go back to Toyota for another 20 years. Are you reading this Detroit????
  • why are people comparing the new tundra vs. the ford and GMs 1/2 tons or even to a HD truck like the 2500 sierras/silverados... The truck hasnt even made it to dealerships yet and people are already criticizing it. Comparing an engine that hasnt even been tested yet like the 6.2 v8 denalli to the tundra. Wait a year or few months to compare. Comparing apples to apples the tundra currently has the most power compared to GMs 5.3, 6.0 engines, fords 5.4 and dodges 5.7 hemi. Has the biggest Brakes available, bigger then fords f150 rated with a 11k towing cap And comes standard with a bunch of safety features which Ford and Gm provide as options. Prices should be coming down in a few months but comparing a 5.3 v8 sierra with lsd, stability control, sonar, power seats vs. a sr5 5.7 with the same options they both cost the same.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The towing figures in post 257 are comparing the
    tundras 5.7 vs. 4.8 figures............


    This statement is false because you didn't do your homework, I did

    Note that I stated 'Big V8's'
    The values stated reflect the towing capacities of ( respectively )..
    Tundra 5.7L
    Silverado 6.0L standard towing
    Sierra 6.0L Max Trailering package
    Ford 5.4L
    Dodge 5.7L HEMI
    Titan 5.6L
    ...all the values are from each manufacturer's website or brochure.
    You are WAY off base - again - and just got picked off.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Again, I'm not sure we should continue to beat a dead horse here. Even reviews say that the new Tundra easily out hauls the others in its class.
    So, if there are other concerns with this truck, we should work on that. I would be interested in seeing whether or not the ride quality is truly as good as the others, or whether it bounces around like older trucks...
  • Your missin that point... that factory tells them haul numbers... yet no hitch! Do them tunda ones out haul big3 ones? No one knows... cuz nobody be workin them ones! Need to hear from folks who is workin them ones, not readin what that factory tells on em. Need folks to give tells on workin them farms with them ones, not workin that highway with em. No dead horse on this one, them tundra ones need to do that haul, then we will have the knowin of em. History tells us that forien one don't haul as well, could this be why they lack that factory hitch? When folks haul with them ones we will know, but folks has been tricked by that forien one before! Good luck on this one now!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I just got back from the local Toyota dealer.

    They received 9 new Tundras yesterday. I looked at the 5 they had out front plus the one in the showroom. All models were V8 equipped (4 with the 4.7l, 2 with the 5.7l).

    EVERY ONE HAD A RECEIVER HITCH.

    In addition, I checked the window sticker. Every window sticker listed the "Tow Package" (including receiver hitch) as STANDARD EQUIPMENT. For the reading impaired, that means it is "factory equipped".

    No, I didn't hitch up a bunch of tobaccy wagons to see how they hauled.....you might have to check out www.toothlesswonders.com to find out the answer to that question....
  • That url ya posted be dead linked now. Was they tellin on them hitchs now? What did they say on em now? Bet them tundra ones didn't have no "factory" hitch now. Anyhow, bet them ones ya eyeballed got that hitch added at that distributor. Facts is facts on this one now. This is why that edmunds tells no "factory" hitch on them ones! Now why is this? Anyhow, we still need folks who is worked them ones to know if they haul or not. On that farm, we work them trucks, they don't do no highway hauls now. We need full size trucks with that haul and last longer. Maybe them new tundra ones got that haul, but them older ones sure didn't! Them magazines don't tell no story either way on them ones. We need folks to work em on that farm and such. Lookin forward to folks givin us that tell on this one now. How bout that fella with that corn farm? Seems he was workin one of them new tundra ones. That fella will have that knowin on this one now. Solve this mystery if they got that haul. As for that hitch mystery, we need more to say for sure. Where is that fella with that corn farm now? Good luck on this one now!
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    go to straight info

    the tundra vs. the competition.
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    then tundra vs. the competition.
  • Comparing towing #'s, the Silverado crew cab 2wd w/V8 is rated to tow 10,200 v.s. Tundra's 10,400 lbs. Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 can tow 10,500 v.s. only 10,100 for Toyota. And, Silverado Crew Cab has a payload rating of 359 lbs to 420 lbs more than Tundra...
    Plus--I don't care where it is built...the bottom line is if you buy a foreign product the end profit goes to Japan...
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    honestly dude, that is the one of the funniest posts i have read on this site in a long time....roflmao.
  • Are you that fella workin that corn field with that tundra one? How is that one haulin? Is it holdin up strong? What kinda work is that one doin? We need one to haul tabacco trains now, is your tundra haulin corn? How many bushel? Tow tractors? What kind of tractor is you towin with that one? Give us a first hand tell on them ones now! Good luck on this one now!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Grow up would you. You are insulting to a whole group of important people in our country who are nowhere near as uneduacted as you pretend to be.

    I have seen and driven all 5 competitors in this segment ... all with factory hitches. There is no comparison. The other four ( excluding the Sierra - not present ) ware far outclassed in every category.

    Grow up.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Comparing towing #'s, the Silverado crew cab 2wd w/V8 is rated to tow 10,200 v.s. Tundra's 10,400 lbs. Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 can tow 10,500 v.s. only 10,100 for Toyota. And, Silverado Crew Cab has a payload rating of 359 lbs to 420 lbs more than Tundra...
    Plus--I don't care where it is built...the bottom line is if you buy a foreign product the end profit goes to Japan...


    Here's the problem. You didn't do enough investigation in your research usa... Yes the Silverado can tow up to 10200# but in 2007 on the T900 model you cant buy that vehicle!!!!!

    You can only buy it as a Sierra!!!

    The answer is tricky but I'll leave it to you to discover why the Silverado is limited to about 8500#. You're right on concerning the payloads.
  • If I was to grow much older now wouldn't be no need for that truck! Been workin them trucks for 75+ years now, just not them forien ones. We work that tabacco farm, and use them trucks for haulin and such. Can you give us that tell on them tundra ones? Did ya work that one hard? How is it lastin? Are you the fella workin that corn farm? Not lookin for book learnin, need to hear from ones that worked em. How exactly was you workin that tundra? Give us that tell on it! Good luck on this one now!
  • Now that was that good link! Yep, them tundra ones was workin hard in that link now! Them ones are lookin good now, looks like them ones is harder workin then before. Guessin Franklin is goin take us down to test drive one of them new tundra ones. Them ones look to work hard and have haul too. Good tells on that link, thats for sure! Wishin they had that tell of one workin that farm, like they had for that ranch. If we pick some of them ones up, maybe they will do a tell on that farm with us! They could film us workin that tundra pullin that tabacco train now. Well, them ones is lookin better, may pick some of them ones up. Good luck on this one now!
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Sir, do you really talk the way you type? Frankly, I find it incredibly annoying. Moreover, I feel I speak for everyone who reads Edmunds when I say that you have brought NOTHING to this discussion or any other. I am surprised moderators have allowed you to stay, for what bandwidth your posts require, although small, is an utter waste.

    Please post something intelligent or at least in 21st century English. People just don't talk like that, bud.

    If you are just trolling -- find a better use of your time. Have a good day.
  • Missin your point on this one now saddaddy? You got that tell on that corn field? They look good for that haul, I will give that tell after me and Franklin test them ones out now. If ya workin that farm any with them ones, give us that tell too! Good luck on this one now!
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Went to go see a Tundra double-cab today. All I can say is that this truck is HUGE! Anybody with any concerns about whether this is a real truck need not worry... it looks larger than most 3/4 ton trucks, never mind 1/2 tons. You are probably riding as high as a 3/4 ton or even a 1 ton. It is fantastic inside and out. Good workmanship and plenty of storage bins, leg room, and head room (I'm almost 6'5" and ~240 lbs, so this is important to me). This particular truck had 20" rims that looked pretty good. The grill is absolutely huge and I think most people will have difficulty getting this into their garage. Excellent layout and placement of gauges and controls. Good visibility all around. Pretty good space in the back, though for me personally, I'm more inclined to see what the CrewMax will be like. You definitely need running boards or step bars to comfortable get into the truck. Not sure how it compares to the Silverado directly in size, but if it is like the 07 Avalanche in proportions, than the Tundra really does seem bigger, at least from the outside. Don't expect much of any kind of price breaks though... dealer has most of the trucks already sold, including the first few orders of the CrewMax. Definitely makes the Ford and Nissan feel small by comparison!
    I didn't have time for a test drive; hopefully I'll get to do that next time. Everything on the vehicle felt pretty solid. The tail-gate assist was pretty good and I don't think I've seen a radiator as large as the one it has except on larger 1 ton trucks. The engine bay is very well laid out as well. It seems like the Tundra has finally grown up in a really big way!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    i thinks those posts are pretty funny. at least they take some imagination. i do have to read them one sentence at a time and think about it before i go to the next one. ;)
    also, take a look at the ad on the left. he hit the nail right on the head. hey framer, how's Franklin doing? :)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    of a clapped out old toyota truck that is suppsosed to be a 1 ton.
    i found this which even has some references to 'edmunds'.

    1 ton try #2
  • Thanks for that tell on them ones belias. Franklin is takin me down to that city to eyeball them new ones tomorrow. Them new tundra ones be lookin good in that url posted few back. That tundra was sure workin that ranch at that url, thats for sure! They look like they got that haul! If them ones is as good in person, we may get a few of them ones to work that farm. We are lookin for full size ones with haul. Will give a tell if we end up gettin them ones now. Good luck on this one now!
  • Gm failed again to design a new truck with the Silverado they are still using alot of the same low grade parts they used in there last truck. Example they could have used the new 6L80 6 speed automatic, but they decided to go with the 4 speed automatic again. When will Gm get it right a new body & new interior is not really a new truck.
  • Rube, my family have been working toyota trucks for over 15years. My parents only buy Japanese cars because they think American cars are crap. We just finished clearing an old olive orchard here in Oroville, CA for a new subdivision. We cut up the olive trees for firewood. My dad's '90 Toyota 4x4 v6 pickup with 205k hard working miles (original drivetrain) hauled 19 full loads of firewood from the orchard to our house...which is about 5 miles only. Yes...I counted the number of loads because I drove the truck. It's pretty beat up but that's from being a work truck. My dad friend's also have toyota 4x4 truck but only a 4 cylinder. He haul the firewood too, but I don't know how many loads. All this talk about load capacity...nobody cares. We load up the truck until the bed is full. I'm sure that's what everyone does. How many chevy with 200k on original drivetrain still working hard like that?

    Oh..yeah..my mom comes by with her 2005 Nissan Titan Crew 4x4 to pick the chain saw and tools at the end each day. She doesn't want to get her $30K truck dirty with firewood.
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