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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    I have work to do and am going out of town for the rest of the week, here is my summary...

    Capability: Both are equivalent. Period.
    Looks: Subjective, but GM wins IMO
    Ride: Regardless of suspension..GM wins
    Options: GM has MORE..and it IS a benefit. I get to buy what I want, and nothing more.
    Interior: Again, subjective, but GM's is better based on majority.
    Technology: GM has MORE Especially when they make their 6-speed tranny std next year. (see earlier post regarding production).

    Biggest reason why GM wins: Experience...They have been in the full size truck segment since the dawn of automobiles. Toyota hasn't. End of story.

    Enjoy your Toy trucks, have fun at the racetrack, I'll be on the water.
  • Toyota has been making trucks for decades what are you talking about? they even make commercial gas&diesel trucks/buses in other countries. give me a break
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Not 1/2 tons. Not here. Not in the quantities GM and Ford have. The last Tundra was mid-size...at best.
  • yeah true but thats here in the US. you keep saying toyota has no expierence in the 3/4 ton truck market or diesels which is false. Like i said its just a matter of time. If the market is strong for commercial trucks in the US toyota will deliver plain and simple.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    I have work to do and am going out of town for the rest of the week, here is my summary...

    Capability: Both are equivalent. Period.
    Looks: Subjective, but GM wins IMO
    Ride: Regardless of suspension..GM wins
    Options: GM has MORE..and it IS a benefit. I get to buy what I want, and nothing more.
    Interior: Again, subjective, but GM's is better based on majority.
    Technology: GM has MORE Especially when they make their 6-speed tranny std next year. (see earlier post regarding production).

    Biggest reason why GM wins: Experience...They have been in the full size truck segment since the dawn of automobiles. Toyota hasn't. End of story.

    Enjoy your Toy trucks, have fun at the racetrack, I'll be on the water.


    I see, so GM is ahead in technology because they will bring a 6-speed transmission NEXT year that is available this year on the Tundra? Yes, they must be the leader in this department!
    You're entitled to your opinion; everyone is and nobody will knock you for that. I can't say that I agree with you on most all of those accounts (especially Looks, Ride, Options, Interior, and Technology). If you want to claim capability is comparable, I can agree to that since I guess that 95% of the people making this an issue will never even approach the max capability once, never mind on a regular basis.
    I like the looks of the Tundra and the Options, Interior, and Technology are all better in my opinion. Ride I can't honestly comment on because I haven't test driven both vehicles. I don't know how anybody can make that assertion and be absolutely confident in it. At best if you just don't want to get in the Tundra and drive it, fine nobody will force you. But saying that it is better based on a flawed comparison wouldn't hold up in any review, not just this one. I can trust a few things to online magazine comparison tests, but things like that I have to go and do myself.
    I'll give GM the experience department on this, but with a couple of caveats. Toyota has way more experience in producing high-quality autos; so give them their due credit if you're going to use the "experience" claim. Secondly, the Tacoma absolutely trounces the competition and badly... the Canyon and Colorado? Nada... 5 cylinder engines and stale interior don't make a good mid-size truck. I know we're not talking about here, but the point you made about experience in trucks has to transcend both ways (not just up to 3/4 and 1 tons). As noted in another post, you'd be hard pressed to find GM SUVs trolling the globe in anywhere near the numbers that Toyotas are. So, just be fair to them. Just because they aren't selling a boat-load of full-size trucks here doesn't mean that they don't know what they're doing. GM, Ford, and Dodge are only dominant in that area because they haven't had any real competition. With the Titan, and Tundra out, that can be said to be at least partially fulfilled. We'll see which way sales will go for GM and which way they'll go for Toyota in a few years...
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I've got 200+ within 100 yards of me now. It's not being offered this year. Check Chevy's website.

    It is being offered on Sierra's but not on Silverado's, The subject of this forum.

    It was offered last year on the T800's. Weird. A little more research will assist you.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    And you bought a truck with less equipment for about $28000 or $4000 off sticker.

    That's a good deal and one anybody can also get with a Tundra - with a $3000 discount....except in the end his Tundra will have more features and do more than your nice riding and solid feeling Silvy.

    Sounds like more value. Enjoy yours.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    I was happy to see the Optitron gauges on the new Tundra, but didn't get to see it at "night" when they really look great illuminated. Anybody get to see them that way? Do they look the same like in the Sienna? or the ES350?
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    you keep saying toyota has no expierence in the 3/4 ton truck market or diesels which is false.

    Where did say that? Show me.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    I drove a 2007 CHEVY SILVERADO LTZ 4x4 WITH the Max Trailering package. Listed right on the window sticker. I remember looking because the Max Trailering pkg included 4.10's and I didn't want 4.10's. I then asked the salesman if he had any 6.0's with the 3.73's...he didn't. But I drove it anyway. You're WRONG!!!
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    I'll restate my point regarding GM's 6-speed Tranny. They are using it standard in the Yukon and the Sierra Denali's. Due to the sheer quantity of the trucks they plan to make this year, they could not standardize the new 6-speed on all of the 1/2 tons. Now, if they only planned to make 200K or less, like Toyota, I am sure they would be standard in all of the GM 1/2 tons. Get it? Or do I need to explain it again? I am curious to know when the Tundra would have come out at all if they needed to make 4-5 times as many as they now plan to make.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    I didn't buy a "Silvy", I bought a Sierra.

    I didn't pay $28,000, I paid $37,000 after rebates (msrp was just under 43K). And I can guarantee the Toyota with the same equipment is more. I know, I checked. I've been researching this purchase since last summer, I left no stone unturned. Have you?
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Grow up guys. Pay your money and take your choice. My opinion is that anything that big (07 Tundra) that can run in the 14's @ 90+ mph gets my respect.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Fair enough, but correct me if I'm wrong; GM understands its own forcast numbers and projections, right? So, either it is due to their inability to secure those transmissions in sufficient numbers soon enough, or, as I suspect, they are reserving them for their higher-priced vehicles to get some extra money out of it (fair enough).
    Either way though, you're not getting it in the 2007 Silverado, that is all I meant by it. You can't count that as a feature if it isn't available today. Otherwise I can say that the Tundra is better because in 2009 they'll offer a hybrid diesel or whatever. Compare what is being done and available now. Both vehicles are new for this year, so that shouldn't be a stretch to do...
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Quick question then... why are you concerned about the Silverado then if you got the Sierra? Also, you're claiming that you got $6K off of an 07 Sierra? How did you pull that off?
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Yeah, that's a real useful, practical spec for a TRUCK!!! Want fast, buy a sports car, then compare to a Vette.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Invoice was about 4K off msrp, plus I got (2) $1000 rebates. One was a Loyalty rebate (private offer) and the other is a Trade-in Bonus cash rebate.

    msrp $42,900
    Invoice (which I paid): $38,929
    less $2000 in rebates = $36,929
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Different things are important to different people. I don't see how having a faster truck that is just as capable or more than a regular truck is somehow a problem. That is like blaming a weightlifter for being a good sprinter... makes no sense.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Great deal, but how did you manage to get the $4K off of MSRP on a brand new vehicle?
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Boy, you sure are good at putting your own "twist" on my opinions, you sound like my teenager.

    I was just putting Toy lover's claim to fame in it's place.

    I can say that the things you think aren't important...Rear Locker, Fully Boxed Frame to name a couple, have much more practical use in a TRUCK than a 1/4 mile time.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Gotta run, but let me know how you got the $4K off of MSRP and whether you think that is possible on the Denali or not. I'd be curious to see if that could happen...
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    There's the catch.. The Sierra is offering the Max Trailering where the Silvy is not. It's nowhere on Chevy's website for 2007.

    I guess like the 6 spd tranny they didn't have the capacity to give it to all the trucks. ;)

    Well you couldn't have done all the research since the Toyota data only came out after you placed your order. Understandable that you picked the best truck - at that time - given the data available.

    BTW the Sierra prices are even at a bigger disadvantage to the Tundra than the Silverado is.

    Sierra EC 4WD 6.0L is $32990 Base before options
    Tundra DC 4WD 5.7L is $31805 Base before options
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Because I bought a GM!!! Every dealer in town is willing to sell at invoice. They still make good money selling at invoice due to "Dealer Holdbacks" and other factory to dealer incentives based on volume. Toyota can't do it because they don't have the volume.

    Like I said, I did my homework and was an informed buyer. Saved me ALOT of money.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Fully Boxed Frame

    Ford ( was there first ) and GM koolaid. You've bought into the marketing bling-bling lock stock and barrel.

    It does ride nicer and it is prettier. ;)
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    read carefully....ready? here goes...

    I was at a C-H-E-V-R-O-L-E-T dealer and test drove a CHEVROLET SILVERADO LTZ 4x4 (fully loaded) with the MAX TRAILERING PACKAGE (listed in black and white on the window sticker). With 4.10's. I drove it before the GMC's were available with the 6.0 and wanted to test drive the 6.0....got it?
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    The implication of the 1/4 mile time and speed is that the Toy is making waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more power than the GM trucks. Excuse me, but I thought power was a practical spec for trucks.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Explain to me how I was twisting your comment (I'll check in tomorrow)?
    This comparison is just funny to me. The Chevy posters' logic can be summed up as follows:
    - when there is an attribute that Chevy barely edges the Tundra on, it is VASTLY important and critical to the operation of a truck.
    - when the Tundra has attributes better then the Silverado then those don't matter at all

    It is equivalent to running a race here, except that as the Chevy logic goes, being first isn't winning, that is defined as being in the middle of the pack! Gimme a break will ya? Make up your mind! Sheesh, you make a truck that is too good and you guys post that it isn't important or that your 3/4 or 1 ton trucks are better, and then using the same attribute comparison, you say that it wasn't enough for the 2006 model. Well what, you want Toyota to slow down the Truck, make it tow a few hundred pounds less, have it be as ugly as the Silverado and give it the same lack of entertainment and technological features as the Silverado? Yeah, that will make it better!
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy

    Uh huh...14hp and 26lb-ft of torque is just HUGE!!!
    And both are supposedly capable of towing 5 tons? Good Luck with that.
    Hmm, I wonder if the Tundra would tow my 3500# boat any better? Put things in perspective and the power difference is a non-issue. Heck, my 2000 with the 285hp 5.3L tows my boat just fine. Also, back in 2000, it was top of the heap in HP. Hmm, wonder how long the mighty Tundra will hold the HP crown? These HP wars are a joke.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Huh? that made no sense dude.
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    This is what I mean... Chevy logic, see post 1047 for clarification...
    Gotta run, unlike jreagan, this really is my last post until tomorrow! ;)
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