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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Good post and your and mine results are alike as I grew up in Michigan. ;)

    Is this really realistic since this happens so quickly? Also, I question why this would help?

    My 2nd cousin grew up working on cars, racing them professionally, and yes has been to advanced defensive driving courses and when I lost my grandmothers 97' GMC Jimmy in 4WD Hi because a snowbank on wheel ran me off the road because he couldn't see and I went up to the edge of the woods to avoid him crashing into me and thus when I came back onto the road I hit a patch of ice and spun out 360 degrees a few times before hitting the other side of the roads edge of the woods and landed softly on my side in a snow bank. My Cousin (same one) who owned a wrecker service had his shop 20 miles away and told me next time if I can remember in the heat of the action engage 2wd while spinning out of control in 4WD hi. I luckily have never had that happen to me again but whenever I'm driving a 4WD vehicle in bad weather his words stick into the back of my mind. BTW- this happened on my way to Prom and was late to pick up my date. She was upset at first but after I told her what happened she forgave me . :blush:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    This I will agree with you on.

    LOL, I disagree with you both based on experience :P

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    In Winter Weather. I assume it will do fine as it is long and fairly wide.

    Rocky
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Well, since you were going to Prom, obviously you were a teen driver (let's hope anyway..haha). I am guessing since you were a fairly inexperienced driver in a 4WD vehicle, overconfidence was the major contributor to this accident. I still question the reality of switching to 2WD mode during a spinout. Not even sure the vehicle would have time to react that quickly. In theory, it may have some merit, but that's it.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Rocky,
    While cruising at 40mph+ on snow/ice, I would rather have a FWD than a 4WD, but AWD is probably better than both.
    Belias does have a point about not wanting all wheels to start spinning simultaneously. But with AWD, there usually is 4 wheel traction control to eliminate this happening.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well, since you were going to Prom, obviously you were a teen driver (let's hope anyway..haha). I am guessing since you were a fairly inexperienced driver in a 4WD vehicle, overconfidence was the major contributor to this accident.

    Well I was a senior 18 years so I had what 3 years of winter driving under my belt by then. It wasn't Prom but was "Swirl" where the women asks the guys out. Prom is in the spring. You obviously didn't understand my above post. A Snow bank with 4 wheels and I mean it looked like a snow bank because the driver was to damn lazy to brush off the snow of his big old 1970's boat. I told the Police Officer working the scene what happened and he didn't write me a ticket as he was able to see what happened by my tread marks in the woods. This car had so much snow flying into his windshield and was driving so fast he couldn't see me. I assume based on the town I was driving to the driver was a hillbilly from the south. I was going probaly 35-40 mph and it was on a gravel road with snow and ice in 4 Hi. If the driver wouldn't of ran me off the road heading straight for me I wouldn't of had to make a last second effort to save the Jimmy and me. The edge of the Woods was packed full of snow and yes it was like plowing through a soft snow bank. The idiot passing me had to be three sheets to the wind drunk because he kept on going or was afraid to stop ? I often wonder if he even saw me ? I gave the police officer a description of the car
    (what little I could see of it) but it looked like a mid-late 70's Buick or Cadillac. It was a big ol boat. So yes I might not of been experienced as some drivers but I was driving with family members since I was 13 years old on gravel roads in summer and winter and feel even at that age I had more experience under my belt than most of the U.S. Population driving in winter weather. ;)

    Rocky
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    RWD vehicles are going to be bad in slippery conditions no matter what. But, in some circumstances, they are actually quite good -- it just depends on how the vehicle is weighted and the situation. No question thought that for most situations it is last among the 3 options available. The situation that I mentioned in terms of it doing better than AWD/4WD is at speed hitting black ice. The reason being that even though you will most likely loose control of the vehicle; it doesn't happen as quickly as in a AWD/4WD. I've been in an AWD/4WD vehicle when it has gone into the ditch (twice -- I was the passenger both times). I was on the side looking at little trees bent up against my window from the weight of the vehicle (luckily the glass didn't break). Anyhow, I've lost control on ice in my Toyota, Pontiac, and Dodge -- two of the FWD, and one RWD. In all three vehicles, I never once lost control of the vehicle to such an extent that I didn't have time to react and regain control. Not so in the AWD/4WD vehicles. When you loose control, it is super-fast and absolutely dangerous. I'm amazed more people don't die from those accidents. Reaction time is just hardly there if at all (and I'm talking 35mph+ speeds -- not super-fast either).
    However, like jreagan said, wheelbase does matter, and also the weight ratio (front-to-back) matters a great deal as well.
    For most trucks, I don't think this is going to be an issue either way. But I do think that the majority of situations that AWD/4WD will help you in is from slow starts, to trailblazing, to getting through thick snow and dirt.
    The reality is that few vehicles, if any, are as good at doing those things as they are at going over ice.
    The Tundra and Silverado are pretty large, heavy, big vehicles by any standard. The systems in place to help you with ice for these vehicles have more to do with breaking and maintaining the proper direction when hitting slippery conditions.
    The only caveat I would say that has differed more recently is that newer tire technology and more advanced implementations of AWD/4WD vehicles have made it better. But, there are also plenty of advancements for front-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive vehicles as well.
    As jreagan said, the more likely culprit is that people that get AWD/4WD vehicles are overly-confident and get themselves into situations that can cause serious accidents. People should understand first what the priorities are for vehicles that have that option. Superior control on ice is a pipe dream for most vehicles -- understanding that buying it as a preference in say the Silverado or Tundra is more suitable for other activities than maintaining control on ice.
    That said, we're all free to buy for whatever reasons -- I would just hate to see somebody buy for that particular reason, then have an accident because their expectations were set too high. Take it easy on ice no matter what you have...
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Agree with all your post except you wanting FWD cruising over 40+ mph. Give me AWD/4WD over any of em' ;) This is why Mitsubishi EVO-X's, Subuaru's and Audi's dominate Winter Racing. You do not see FWDers do you ? :P

    Rocky
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    You're right, sorry, my bad. I didn't understand the "snowbank" analogy.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    True, but they are not trucks with very little weight over the rear (primary) wheels. Also, they are AWD, not 4WD. I agreed AWD is the best. There is a huge difference between AWD and 4WD, especially prior to the new 4WD's having stabilitrak.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    belias,

    Good post. I think it has more to do with the vehicle's capability's than if it's FWD/AWD/4WD ;) I overall prefer a good AWD system like Mitsubishi's (S-AWC) which is probably the best AWD system in the world. This technology should be available on these 2 trucks we are talking about now. Active Yaw Control is quite new but could save lives in safety as well as improve dry weather performance.

    Acura has a pretty Spiffy AWD system called SH-AWD and I always wondered why Honda, hasn't yet put this system on the Ridgeline, where it would be quite useful. :confuse:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    It's okay. Just wanted to clear things up. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well AWD and 4WD technology is getting closer in terms of conventional technology. However the new AWD systems liked I talked about from Mitsubishi and Acura are simply the best on the market. Of Course Audi and Mercedes both have good AWD systems as well. I've also heard good things about BMW's and Volvo's also but they don't match the technology of S-AWC which will debut on the Mitsubishi EVO-X this fall ;)

    Rocky
  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    Yes, that would be great if the new trucks had these technologies. I wonder if the weight/payload/towing capabilities of the truck make it particularly difficult or expensive to implement that technology?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So have you guys heard anything new about the new F-150 and Dodge Ram coming out ?????

    Is the F-150 going to get the new "Hurricane" Engine Series ?

    Any speculation of how much power the 09' Ram will have ?

    The F-150 is coming out this fall still right ?

    It will be most interesting to see how the new Tundra and Silverado will fair against these new competitors ?

    Rocky
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    My point exactly, however, I think these high-tech AWD systems are aways off from being used in Trucks due to the "Ruggedness" factor required in trucks for towing, hauling, etc. But you're right, 4WD systems today that use Stabilitrak (and other similar) systems are far better than the old simple 4WD systems.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    That is a question I don't have a answer for. :(
    That would probably need to be asked to the engineers of these high-tech systems.

    The biggest vehicle the SH-AWD is on now is the MDX, and the reviews all say it helps the handling out greatly even on snow and ice I read in one review.

    Rocky
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    I call it "Automotive Leapfrog".
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yeah, it would be interesting to know if they could handle the brutal Truck requirements. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    LOL.....That is a good way of puting it. :)

    Rocky
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