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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • The Toyota Tundra looks better, gets better mileage, the resale is way better, and the truck has more balls. The overall powertrain destroys the American competition.

    Not to mention the Tundra isn't an American made piece of junk. :)

    I think it's laughable when the American made truck fans constantly use the same lines like the Toyota needs a FBF, or the "interior is ugly." It's all they have left. It kind of reminds me of the Bush administration constantly using terms like "Hold the course" "Weapons of mass destruction" to brainwash the sheep into believing lies.

    Anybody who looks at the Tundra knows the Interior is by FAR better than any truck to date. It is FAR from ugly in any way. But they will keep reinforcing the point saying the "Interior is ugly" so they eventually believe it themselves. It's laughable!

    Oh and the mighty Duramax diesel? It's built by Isuzu. Another [non-permissible content removed] company. If Chevy wouldnt of bought duramax from Isuzu they wouldn't even have that.

    Now the thread has switched to gap tolerances? LOL!! American made companies have always had the worst gap tolerances by far no questions asked.

    Walk up to any Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Infiniti, Acura and check out the gaps and then look at a ford taurus or a Pontiac Grand Prix or piece of crap g6.

    American made vehicles are a joke. I have to laugh when I see people blow thousands on them. There not worth anything.
  • pmuscepmusce Posts: 132
    Here are the February 2007 Sales. I don't have numbers for Ram yet. A couple of observations:

    - Silverado outsold F-Series. Thats huge
    - The GMT900's are dominating the market

    Silverado
    Feb 2007 - 58696
    Feb 2006 - 46387
    Up 26.5%

    F-Series
    Feb 2007 - 55251
    Feb 2006 - 62862
    Down 12.1%

    Sierra
    Feb 2007 - 18140
    Feb 2006 - 14787
    Up 22.7%

    Tundra
    Feb 2007 - 9669
    Feb 2006 - 10566
    Down 8.5%

    Titan
    Feb 2007 - 6058
    Feb 2006 - 7009
    Down 13.6%
  • fshifshi Posts: 57
    you have too much OPINION in your post. "American made vehicles are a joke, I have to laugh when I see people blow thousands on them, there not worth anything"

    This harsh statement almost immediately disqualify you from making objective comparison between a forign brand with any domestic brand.
  • pmuscepmusce Posts: 132
    There was some good, intellictual debate going on in this thread until I read your post.
  • fshifshi Posts: 57
    this is what AMERICAN vote for the trucks, LOUDLY.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "...where as the sierra was 12.3 (the slowest of the bunch) that's a huge difference and a prime example where the sierra is hamstrung by it's gearing."

    I was very surprised by that result. I was expecting the Tundra to have a slight advantage in that kind of test with the Titan and Sierra very close behind. I figured the F150 would be bringing up the rear....
  • The Toyota Tundra goes 0-60 in 6.4 seconds?

    That's faster than most of my cars!!

    Truly awesome!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "The Toyota Tundra goes 0-60 in 6.4 seconds?

    That's faster than most of my cars!!

    Truly awesome!"


    :confuse:

    Personally, for trucks I'm more impressed by acceleration times when either hauling or towing a load; since this would be a better indication of how the vehicle performs when actually working.

    How well the thing scoots when being used essentially as a commuter vehicle is kinda pointless IMO. Kinda like discussing towing capacity of a Mustang......

    If all you wanna do is go fast, there's lots more suitable vehicles on the market than either the Tundra or Silverado.
  • fshifshi Posts: 57
    I know how to type in complete sentence, but I have no interest in typing in anything that makes YOUR sense.

    As an asian, I have driven many toyota/honda cars/suvs. Now I own a cts, and an envoy. I can attest that domestic cars are not inferior to toy/honda vehicles, they acutally give me less headache than my previous camry (bought new).

    The way you talk about tundra is very much like the way people (same group of people) talked about titan several years back. Has titan made a big dent on Silverado/F150 as someone would hope? Nissan is laying off assemply workers for the titan now. Calm down, same thing will happen to YOUR tundra ...

    hehe, I have not done the spelling check. I did not know that is your hobby.
  • maple2maple2 Posts: 177
    The Toyota Tundra looks better, gets better mileage, the resale is way better, and the truck has more balls. The overall powertrain destroys the American competition.

    Looks better? not to me but thats subjective, gets better gas mileage? neither one gets good gas milage if you want gas milage get a moped. More balls, il give you that one for now. Overall powertrain destroys American competition, laughable to say the least, cmon lets be reasonable here the chevy powertrains are tried tested and guess what, they hold up. Do you have any data to show you the reliability of this 5.7l powerhouse over the long haul? Of course you dont. How about this new 6 speed tranny how do they hold up after 100k miles? nobody knows the answer to that, we will just have to wait and see. The 6 speed camry has more than its share of problems that toyota still cant get right,what makes you think that the tundra will be different? Im not saying they will have problems but it is certainly possible. In 5-7 years you might be able to make a statement like "overall powertrain destroys American competition" (if warranted) but not today you cant.

    Walk up to any Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Infiniti, Acura and check out the gaps and then look at a ford taurus or a Pontiac Grand Prix or piece of crap g6.

    How about I just walk up to a tundra and a silverado since I only drive trucks and that is what we are talking about. Hmmm tundra has big gaps silverado has small gaps. but they did that on purpose, right. As someone else posted probably to accomodate the flexing of the frame so the panels dont rub. Toyota engineering at its finest. :P
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,627
    I was very surprised by that result. I was expecting the Tundra to have a slight advantage in that kind of test with the Titan and Sierra very close behind. I figured the F150 would be bringing up the rear....

    The f150 posted a 12 flat 40-60 time. The Dodge was 10.8 and the titan 10.1 seconds

    The Sierra did post better acceleration numbers than the f150 in the 0-30 and 0-60 tests.

    The Sierra posted the best braking results while towing, stopping from 55mph in 162' vs. 172' with the Tundra.

    As for comparing reliability, who knows. The trans in my suburban didn't make it to 45k before needing a rebuild and I personally know 4 other people with 1/2 ton based GM vehicles that have had transmissions (4l60e) die under 80k miles, 3 were under 50k. What we all have in common is, we all tow boats.
  • Interesting post.......You must not be familiar with R.L. Polk. The latest results show that the domestic manufacturers do quite well when you look at who repeat buys a model, make or manufacturer.

    GM is number one for the manufacturers and the Ford F-150 is number one for the pickups. There must be some very satisfied customers out there somewhere.

    What is good about this survey is that it measures where people actually put their money and not just some subjective dribble like Consumer Reports.
  • toykickstoykicks Posts: 95
    careful there thats your opinion vs. 1.3 million other people ;)
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Full-ramp up won't be until April, at the earliest.

    I think the Thundra goes should be just south of Sierra sales, around 15k a month this year, and 20k next year.

    2007 Tundra didn't officially sell until 2/12.

    DrFill
  • joeshmowjoeshmow Posts: 9
    "Over the course of 2 weeks of testing, the tundra avg. 13.2mpg non towing and 9.1 while towing. The Sierra got 12.2mpg NT and 8.9 while towing."

    USA Today road tested the new Chevy "fuel-efficient" engine and they got a very disappointing 12 MPG combined city and highway, towing nothing. I get about 15 MPG with my '97 F150 4WD big V8, 300,000 miles. Sounds like these new trucks are all getting even worse MPG's than ever!
  • pmuscepmusce Posts: 132
    Yeah, I would agree that Tundar is still in ramp up mode. I would think it will be around April-May until their sales show some bigger gains. It will be interesting to see where the sales come from. Do you think Tacoma sales will be affected at all by the new Tundra?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Actually there are a lot of current Tundra owners that think this new Gen is too big. They don't want anything bigger than what they have. When these start to get 8-10 years old and 200K miles these owners are going to have to make a decision about a 'nearly-as-big' Tacoma or a HUGE Tundra. All the other options are just as big.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    That's probably the percentage that may need a full-size, but don't want to buy a domestic, and can use the good mid-size until the Tundra came out.

    Was standing next to a 2000 Tacoma the other day. The current tacoma is MUCH larger than that. You can really see the difference between compact and mid-size.

    DrFill
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    You cannot go on Chevy's Build/Price module and actually build a Silverado with this option. They don't offer it.

    Just because their "Build Module" doesn't let You, does NOT mean you cannot order it. GO TO A CHEVY DEALER and ask them, I will bet you one of these trucks that you are WRONG, are we on?

    I drove one for crying out loud!!! What more proof do I need than that? I have told you this SEVERAL times, why do you still deny it and make this BS claim? Because a stupid internet build module says so? Sheesh.
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Nice post, care to reply Belias? I would like to hear it too.
    Other than slightly more power and a 6-speed tranny (which is yet unproven in the long haul and GM has one and will be phasing it in as std this year). What advantages does the Tundra have over the GM's?
    Look at the big picture, and the facts and overall, the GM is clearly superior. Toyota still has to prove it is as good/better, until then GM is better, period.
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