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  • bamatundrabamatundra Posts: 1,583
    It seems that you are just a little angry. You need a time out.

    There are easily 5 times more GM owners posts to Tundra topics recently.

    Over the last 2 years, there have been at least a hundred times more posts from unfortunate GM owners (ObywannaTUndra and Quad are two of the most desperate) Than Tundra owners posting in Chebby topics.

    What are you trying to say? Is it OK for GM owners(including yourself) to post to Tundra topics, but not OK for Tundra owners to post to GM topics? That certainly does not make a lot of sense.

    I think that GM owners really want to hear from a Tundra owner. Don't you?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    kills me

    angry?....nahh...being myself.....I tame down to come couldn't handle the real me me

    I'll post whatever, wherever, whenever I want...regardless of what you or PF tells me...

    poor PF....has to be pulling his hair out....what little may be left...LOL

    Yard is calling me......C yawl tonight perhaps..

    - Tim
  • twowheelertwowheeler Posts: 89
    "Come on now....IMHO, Toyota owners are MUCH more likely to over-rate their truck's quality when surveyed than other vehicle owners. Just look at the owners ratings here on Edmunds. Or take a look at CR. Their ratings are compiled from owners who return a survey form. CR does test vehicles themselves, but their annual auto ratings are based on very unscientific/unverified survey returns. Several of the Toyota owners who post here are a perfect example of what I am saying.......They act like they don't even believe it when another Toyota owner posts a problem and asks for help."

    I don't believe you said that. That's completely ridiculous. Maybe some of the diehard toyota fans would mark their survey forms as all good, but so would diehard Chevy fanatics or Ford junkies. FYI - I consider myself pro Ford but bought a Toyota cause I felt it was overall the best choice for me, not because it's a "Toyota". And I don't have a problem telling the truth about my auto experiences when marking a survey form. I feel this is an good way for the manufacturer to improve upon the products it makes.

    So, I think it washes out in the end. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that's why they always state that surveys have a +/- rating of a couple of percentage points which would include people intentionally and unintentionally skewing the results(but don't shoot me with that .45 if I'm wrong - just thinking out loud). And how do you go about verifying survey info anyways? That's a pretty tedious job with any kind of meaningful survey sample. DaveCrook1 knows about TS. I responded to his first post way back when he was looking for a dealer in the East that would do a special build for him. I pointed him to the TS website.

    Face it - the reason the Tundra gets good ratings is because the truck IS good. Maybe not good to people that don't like or own the truck, but good to the majority of those who actually have one, as reflected in the ratings. Fire away!
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Yes I know Fred, his wife, and kids.
    YES he just got rid of his 11 yo Chevy
    for a new Tundra ! He is from Syracuse
    I am in Hannibal (30 miles north). We
    both have summer places in Alexandria Bay
    NY ! I would of taken that handle but he
    had it and I contacted him thru E-mail !
    He likes his new Tundra, but had question
    about port, dest, regional fees whatever !
    I turned him on to the OTHER site cuz they
    let all the dealers sell all over THOSE
    threads (BUT NOT HERE) sO that he could get
    an HONEST ANSWER ! NOT !!!!!!!
    If you would archive back thru the 'rado
    threads you will see his old posts !
    But u being new here I understand......Geo
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    In fact, being that Toyota owners are more demanding than average (because they've been spoiled), I would venture to say they would complain more than your average vehicle owner when something goes awry. For example, about 3000 Toyotas out of 3 million + were found to have some kind of oil sludge problem. With all the commotion that caused, you would have thought the apocalypse was upon us! By comparison, GM would be relieved if only 3000 of their engines knocked.

    To take my example even further, look how many people complain of Toyota rust to this day, right sonjaab?

    No, I would say the Toyota folks are pretty critical are forthcoming when they rate their vehicles. But kudos to the GM folks. Good effort on their part!
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    And I had 2 3yo rusted ones with the bad
    head gaskets and the 1 yr 12k warranty.
    Check out that OTHER SITE for Tundra
    problems. Real owners and problems !
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    See, sonjaab was a Toyota owner and look how critical he is! My point exactly. Thanks for the illustration, sonjaab.
  • twowheelertwowheeler Posts: 89
    ttt on a engine/drivetrain topic while you were posting here. Hmmmm....
  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    I notice you don't refute my point about several Tundra owners here who will not believe another Tundra owner posting for help with a problem. I would post links, but most of them are in the CLOSED toyota Tundra problems. Why do you think that the owner ratings on this board are so much higher than the editors ratings on the Toyota trucks? I watched through the 70's and through 1986, as CR users and editors recommended Toyota products while they were rusting off the frames.
    Please don't try to imply that I have EVER said Tundras are BAD trucks. Are they Perfect, or the Best at everything from towing to hauling to handling to ride to comfort to size to quality to power? No, I don't think so. BUT, some of the Tundra owners who post on Edmunds like to insist that they are. I have never considered your posts to reflect that attitude.
    Also, remember that CR surveys are skewed geographically, as well as economically and politically. If I can find the article someone posted about their bias and why it exists, I'll post the link again.
    If you want another example of Toyota owners having a reason to trivialize their problems, consider this: How many times have you heard Tundra owners/wanna be's on this board say how low GM owners expectations are? Implying that their expectations for their choice of vehicle is so much higher. Therefore, IF they admit having problems with their Toyota, they are admitting they made a bad choice. They have to perpetuate the perception, true or not, that Toyotas are trouble free in order to keep bashing the quality of other brands.
    Does Toyota build quality trucks? Yes, IMHO. But, so do Ford, GM, and plenty of others. The few Tundra owners who frequent this board want everyone who visits here to believe Tundras are perfect AND GMs are junk. They do not seem to be able to discuss their problems (or others) like the Ford, Dodge,and GM guys do in their topics. BUT, there are other discussion sites where this happens.
  • twowheelertwowheeler Posts: 89
    there is only one authorized Toy dealer that posts on TS. One of the moderators there tried to explain that to Alexbay but got no response. Again, I think it's you buddy!!!
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    "Why do you think that the owner ratings on this board are so much higher than the editors ratings on the Toyota trucks?"

    Don't you think that comment would be more applicable to the Sierra? I urge you to read Edmunds' long term review of their Sierra, then compare their opinion of the truck to owner ratings on this board.
  • twowheelertwowheeler Posts: 89
    Just responding to your reply, no flames here intended:

    I didn't refute your point about the Tundra owners non-belief of any problems cause I didn't get the impression that they perceived the truck to be perfect, or that they were just stating that as a joke. Maybe I'm wrong on that, cause there was quite abit of back and forth in the last week or so just prior to the thread closing. Just go over to TS and you'll see that there are problems with the truck (any vehicle has problems).

    In my previous post I wasn't implying that you thought the truck sucked, I was making a statement in general. Actually, I think I remember that you posted that you'd be interested in a Toy truck if it had all the features you were looking for right?

    "I watched through the 70's and through 1986, as CR users and editors recommended Toyota products while they were rusting off the frames"

    I don't know of a easier/better way to get average performance data than that back in the '70 through the mid 80's. It's easier access and there's more info available now in the 21 Century. Also, it's natural to form an opinion on something based on a couple of examples, heck -I admit I prolly do it all the time.

    I don't agree that the CR surveys are skewed as you mentioned other than possibly, financially. I think the article you are referring to was posted by Quad several weeks ago. But after my rebuttal post on the article, the post got deleted somehow. The article said something about CA being all winding roads or something, which is ludicrious (sp).

    Yeah, I seriously considered the Silverado because of looks/performance/price/features and could of ended up owning one, had it not been for my reservations about the reliability. F150 was a contender but didn't like the crash test results. I am not loyal to ANY brand other than Ford Mustangs (I gonna be building my 5-oh into a camaro eater soon - no rice here!). I consider my expectations very high, so I agree with you that the statements about GM owners having low expectations are not correct, cause I could see myself in a GM truck (if I had more confidence in the reliability).

    BTW, my Tundra is not perfect, it's got a fairly small resonance type vibration coming through the driver side floorpan at about 2500 rpm at any speed. I'm guessing it's the natural frequency of something under there and hopefully all that is needed is to tie it down abit or install some kind of isolation media, like on the brake lines or converter heat shields or something. But so far, nothing else (knock on wood). Had it up to 100 mph the other day and was pretty stable. Not bad for a truck.

    Well, sorry for the long post. I gotta get out of here and do something today other than sitting at the computer (yes dear, I'll be right there...)

    Have a good weekend.
  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    To be continued....

    You have a good weekend, too!
  • capt2capt2 Posts: 57
    How bout keepin these boards on topic. Use your DELETE key for any off topic post. It will make the boards worth reading...which they aren't now!
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    kinda like the Silverado topics that got ruined by Tundra fans........I got one word about the Tundra topics being ruined....


    - Tim
  • losangelesemtlosangelesemt Posts: 279
    In regards to your last post ...

    " I'll post whatever, wherever, whenever I want...regardless of what you or PF tells me..."

    You are most certainly a disgrace to this board with such an attitude. You are here in a private forum and should at the very least be able to obide by Edmunds' rules, as well as show some respect for our hosts and other posters. You sir are not in here as a potential Tundra owner, at least you haven't expressed that interest as of yet. Nor do any of your posts do anything remotely constructive in the name of this topic.

    At least the other non Tundra owners such as Quad and Oby post things which can be related to the Tundra and so on. I dont wanna hear about how theres no GM topics. If anything the Toyota Tundra guys have this topic and this one only. GM guys have GM engine knock, Rado 1500 vs 2500, GMC Sierra probs, and Rado/Sierra owners hangout forums to name a few. So as Bama has repeatedly asked, why are you here posting to a topic that you could care less about ??? Just here taking up space by the looks of it.
  • losangelesemtlosangelesemt Posts: 279
    Just curious ... does this problem only happen the first 5 miles or so when the truck has been sitting for a long time or cold. Or does it happen regardless of how warm the truck is, just everytime you first start off driving the first 5 miles or so. It might very well be a brake issue, and the noise subsides as the compenents heat up. If it was a rotor issue you might notice a slight shimmy of the front wheels under hard braking, or a slight pulsation in the brake pedal. The truck is still very new so these signs might not be as apparent.

    I believe you have the 4WD, so I haven't ruled out anything to do with the drive train necessarily, although lets hope its a much simpler problem.
  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    Help me remember who it was and in what topic about Tundras that someone actually posted that the reason Toyota did not sell more Tundras than they do is because they are limiting production to maintain the quality.....and they are just testing the market. Anyone remember who that wizard was?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    Don't let some Toy fans start [non-permissible content removed].....then give me the "greater than thou" attitude like you are so proper and of great holyness....

    I , and many others did post in correct forums...and gave tons of good advice and help....and when a fellow toy owner wants to start some [non-permissible content removed].....don't give me any crap about mis-conduct....

    perhaps you sit back and wimp out......not me

    I can be civil......but shut down my topic....and I'll mess with yours any time I feel like it....

    ....uh dry......I gotta roll

    Good luck on this one now!

    - Tim

    (send my warning PF!)
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