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  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    Oh well. One must make sacrifices. I did finally pull the trigger and have a 6 coupe on order. Decided on black with beige. I have been reading some on the 5 board which questions the active steering and basic sound system. Does anyone have some input on either?
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    My sister just got a brand new 645 convertible courtesy of the huge raise her husband received. I got to test drive it this weekend. Below are my impressions:

    1) Suspension and road feel were great, as one expects in a BMW. I felt that the 6 series drove as surely as the e39 5 series, but with a slightly more forgiving ride, except on sharp bumps, where the ride was a little jarring. I think that jarring was due more to the run flat tires than any flaw in the suspension.

    2) Steering was a little numb IMO. I don't know whether that's due to active steering or the run flat tires. I like active steering in theory, just not sure whether it's working as advertised. I think it takes some time to get used to, and I didn't drive the 645 often enough to get used to it.

    3) Interior materials. IMO, the materials in the 6 series interior are excellent, certainly better than the materials quality in the e60 525i and 530i that I have seen. I don't know how the 645 interior compares to the 545 as I haven't driven a 545, but I imagine they should be pretty similar. The dashboard and speedometer seem to be extremely similar, if not identical, to my dad's 745Li, so it looks like BMW used the 745i interior in the 645, which would account for its high quality. My only complaint would be with the gray wood finish. I'm sure it's real wood, but gray wood with a high glossy finish made it look fake.

    4) Interior design - Other than i-drive, I had no real complaints about the interior design. The automatic window buttons were at a weird angle, but I got used to it. The interior design is certainly better than in my dad's 745Li (first year edition) which is an interior ergonomic mess.

    I know some of you here state that i-drive 2.0 is better. I have experienced i-drive 1.0 in my dad's 745Li and I assure you that v 1.0 sucks in every conceivable way. I didn't really have time to try out i-drive 2.0, but at this point, I've had such bad experiences with i-drive 1.0 that I just can't see how i-drive is a positive.

    I fail to see how the additional electronic complexity of i-drive, which increases the likelihood of electronic gremlins and expensive repair costs, is offset by the alleged advantages of i-drive, whatever they are.

    FWIW, my sister does not like i-drive 2.0. She puts up with it because she has to, but if she had her choice, it'd be gone.

    5) Hill descent control - I disliked this function. With the hill descent control slowing the car down whenever my foot was off the pedal, I could no longer hit the gas, ease off, and then hit the gas again. It felt like the car was downshifting into a lower gear every time I took my foot off the gas.

    BMW is supposed to be a driver's vehicle. I want to control how fast the car goes by hitting the gas, brakes and shifting appropriately. The hill descent control interfered with that.

    Since my sister's 645 is an automatic combined with the hill descent control, it almost felt like this car was driving itself, so despite the power of the engine and the ride quality of a BMW, this was an incredibly boring car to drive IMO.

    I wonder what a manual 645 would have been like.

    6) Exterior Looks - This is the best of the Bangled cars no doubt. However, I still hate the Bangle butt and rear taillights look contrived IMO. The piece slapped on the top of the Bangle butt looks like the bustle of a fat woman's porky behind IMO; it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

    Overall: Great car, nice interior, get rid of i-drive and the bustle on the butt and fix the taillights and you have an unbeatable machine. Also, lower the price.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    at least in my 3 series is meant for slow downhills (such as on snow and ice). It keeps my car less than 5 mph. Maybe they've changed it for the 6 Series or changed what all it is supposed to do, but I thought it was for low speed applications...

    -Paul
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    do you know how much she had to pay for the convertible? im considering one and still asking people about pricing, nothing good so far :(
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    Well her hubby got it for her. I don't think he bought it. He leased it. Since they live in NYC, I thought that was an insane financial decision since leasing in NY requires payment of the sales tax on the full amount of the car even though you're only going to have it for 3 years.

    But it's his money to burn.
  • ak103ak103 Posts: 11
    In NY State, the lease calculates tax based on the total of payments "not" the full cost of the vehicle.
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    still insane though, if im not mistaken the tax in ny is around 9% right?
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    Verizon finally cane out with a Blue tooth phone (Motorola V710). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get it to connect to my 05 BMW.

    Can anyone help?

    Thanks
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I just picked up a 2005 645. I had only wanted one without the sport package or the active steering and my local dealer had one. So far I like it and my only objections are due to the run flat tires which I find too stiff and the I drive, which I find complicates simple tasks like directing the airflow from the HVAC.

     

    Handling is very good, engine note is glorious and the transmission nice and crisp. I hear there is new V8 coming next year with around 400HP, which might make this car even more interesting.
  • Congrats on your new 6. Nice to see you're still around. If I remember correctly, your last few cars were SLs, right? I've driven the current generation SL. How does it compare to the 6? Is yours a coupe or conv?
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I have the coupe, because I just don't like the rear of the convertible (I know the coupe isn't a lot better, but it is a little better without the slit rear window). The BMW is, not surprisingly, more athletic than the SL. The SL is very capable but more relaxed in its demeanor (except for the SL55 which is more raucous). I actually find the build quality a touch better in the BMW, fewer rattles than the SL (some of which are due to the retractable hardtop). With the BMW, there is I-drive to dislike. With the SL, it is those awful sensotronic brakes. Overall, I would say the SL is the more complete package, but it is also much more expensive and less fun to drive. If you value the driving experience most, the BMW could be the right car for you.

     

    The better car than either of these two is my CL600, which of course is incredibly expensive and should be better. Once you drive that twin turbo V-12, you never want to go back to mere V-8's. Boy am I spoiled or what?
  • I once read that every driver should experience a V12. There's no doubt I'll do so one day. I'm sure that twin-turbo 12 is a hard act to follow.

     

    I defintely feel the same way about the I-drive. I've driven the S430, S500 and 745i. The 7 is more a driver's car and but I found the interior so un-intuitive. I'm into gadgets and thought I'd have no problems with I-drive. Boy was I wrong - I am not a fan of the interior controls at all. The S class interior was such a cinch to figure out in comparison. But without ABC, the S has too much body roll for my taste. I'm sure the 6 is a better handling car compared to the sedans.

     

    Enjoy your new ride and let us know how it holds up.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    ABC is a real advantage for the big Merc's and makes the CL600 feel like a much smaller and lighter car in the twisties. It doesn't transform the car into a Porsche competitor, but it can be fun. I had the active body suspension in a BMW 545 and it was outstanding, but they package it with the larger run flat tires, which ruins the ride quality and also along with the active steering, which I never could get used to. Maybe if I only drove one car, it would be alright, but jumping from one car to another, the BMW steering was weird. I agree with you that Command is much easier to master than I-drive.
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    I think it was Enzo Ferrari who said, "Every man should plant a tree, raise a son, and drive a 12 cylinder car in his lifetime".
  • Thanks - I'll have to add "drive a 12 cylinder", preferably Ferrari, to my New Year's resolutions. I have been by Wide World of Cars (Ferrari, Maserati, BMW) and Bergen County Lamborghini this past month. Beautiful machines!
  • 645iron645iron Posts: 2
    I have been driving various cars for months now and finally made the decision to buy. The 645i won me over. I test drove the corvette(actually ordered one but canceled for the 645i, the 7 series, e class, cls, acura Rl, Lexus Gs, Infiniti M, and cadillac sts and even the Fx infiniti. I was primarily looking for one car that would do it all for me, looks, power, luxury, cache, women love it, I love it,
    there are many reasons the 645 won me over

    Looks, I love Jet Black with sport package
    This coupe is not too small or big just right.
    Big trunk and emergency back seat lets you use this as your primary car, unlike vette.
    It turns on a dime, important when uturning in busy intersections, It accelerates from any speed
    and handles bumps and dips effortlessly, watch out vette owners 3.5 inch clearance you will be bottoming out allot!!! Unlike Mercedes which has so many options, the bmw has just a few and they are great! Love the standard parking warning system.

    Some are not excited about looks, I think allot of coupe are going to the too round and clean look which if you like feminine shapes may work.
    Jaguar Xk old and new model upcoming, Aston martin.. give me some lines and cuts something agressive not a jelly bean, vette looks great and so does bmw!! Cls is interesting look...almost bought one, two ladies in my office bought one ( chick car I believe)

    You must get the satellite radio, I wanted sirius and thats what you get!! When I saw all elvis channel I knew I had to have it! I also like Howard Stern so only place to hear him will be on sirius.

    I am awaiting delivery of my car two more weeks!
    I think I will be fine with Idrive, big bright screen that you can manipulate with one hand....
    will see.

    I could only get 1,000 off sticker, the biggest dealer crevier said full sticker only

    so my mini reveiw
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Where are you???

    M
  • matt66matt66 Posts: 2
    I have a 645 with I also purchased in June 2004. I have been having discussions with the dealer about this bluetooth for months. I just got the final work on this, the dealer is telling me that 645's produced before March of 2003 are not equipped with the module for bluetooth. When I purchased the car I was told it wasn't available yet but it would be in the future. Now BMW wants $1750 for the module plus labor.I have contacted customer relations and they keep putting back on the deal. The dealer keeps putting back on BMW. Have you had any luck in resolving this problem
  • matt66matt66 Posts: 2
    Is there anyone who has a 645 that came without bluetooth and isn't getting install by the dealer
  • I drove the cic for two days from Crevier. Liked alot but must order a car to get the red/ruth int and jet black exterior. Problem is 650 coming in Fall and I can't figure out if I should wait for new engine and possible wheel trim change. Shouldn't they start to discount some closer to new model?
  • My dealer says tough luck. Even though there is a Bluetooth passkey card in my manual, the car does not have Bluetooth, and the only way to get it is to spend over $1000 to have it installed.
  • Does anyone know any detail on the expected 650? When will it be available? Any changes over the 645? My father has ordered a 645 which will get delivered on about a month and I am trying to get him to change his mind and wait for the 650.

    Thanks
  • 645iron645iron Posts: 2
    So did you get the combo you wanted? I suppose if I was going to order this late in the year I would see if a 650 was coming out, however If no changes to exterior a I think plenty enough power with current engine, wish I would of test drove with 21 inch bmw dealer wheels I like the look star spoke pattern
  • Has anyone out there participated in the driving experience that BMW offers to the 6 series purchasers? If so, I would like to hear your feedback. Thanks.
  • I think my new 645 Coupe is the max. I want to add a BMW Sirius receiver, however all of the dealers I have called want between $800 and $1100 for it installed. Does anyone know how difficult it is for self-installation? If not, does anyone know of a dealer in Southern California who will install it for less.
  • I talked with the head of a BMW dealership here a couple of months ago and he also talked about the 650. Lately he is not speaking anymore about it and is pushing me towards the 05. Makes me wonder if a release date is pending and he's not talking because he wants to sell his existing inventory. Does anybody have any news about the release of the 650?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Kinda like why the 545i is now becoming the 550i. If you like the 6 Series, you'll probably get a better price on the 645. I wouldn't hesitate to do it, and if he wants to push the 645 so much since he does want to clear it from inventory, see just how willing he is to part with it ;). Just make sure it has what you want on it and do not settle. I doubt it would be easy to order a 645 exactly how you want it. If it isn't what you want, hold out and get the 650 when it is available.

    -Paul
  • Thanks for the reply!. Are we talking this year...like late fall? also do you have any idea what types of changes/improvements may be in store for the 650?. I heard rumors of a triple screen user friendly I-drive(if there is such a thing!) And you're correct I am holding out for a deal on the 05. But timing will make a difference. Inventories seem pretty good in Atlanta.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    650's are already out... Not too many available on dealers' lots yet, but the car is officially out, nonetheless.
  • Well my guy here is keeping it under wraps. Saying not sure when they will be here and absolutely no committments on deliveries. Not a surprise. Any info about what has changed if any?
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