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2003 Saab 9-3

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  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Read the article in Thecarconnection. The base Saab will come loaded. Leather, auto, upgrade stereo. You have to request the manual. We've gone over the hp thing. Saabs have never been boy racers. They are driver's cars. Look at the sources before jumping on me please.
  • magnetophonemagnetophone Posts: 605
    I'm getting happier about this Saab 9-3 every day. Talk about good pricing! This car is priced and optioned just right. Make mine a base Linear in red.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I'm thinking dolphin silver, and I will be happy with the 175 hp as well. I would never use a Nav system, but I like the way saab worked it into the dash. But is liking a design trick worth whatever premium a nav will draw?
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Was looking throught the discussion, and have not seen a link. Could you repost the site again? Please?
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Go to: www.thecarconnection.com. Under the news sections. There are articles in the July 24 and 25 posts as well as a separate Saab article.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I just bought into the traditional Saab value propositions after years of owning Jagurs and getting somewhat tired of too much coziness.

    I think Saab's strength is its difference, and I am not sure positioning themelves smack in the square of the industry standards with 2 4-door sedans is a good idea. I think a more avantgarde update of the hatchback theme would have made them more successful, especially now that cars like the Merc C230 are validating the concept for the $30k+ market.

    If you get too industry-conform, at some point in time buyers will forget about the "brand values" you originally had, and will simply compare you 1:1 against the competition... and I am not sure people will pick a Saab over a BMW, Merc, Lex or Audi then... not because there is anything wrong with the car, but rather because it takes a while for the public to internalize the new value proposition...
  • larryjorlarryjor Posts: 12
    My brother and I are long time Volvo fanatics (35 yrs) and currently own a '00 T6. Volvo decided to begin to evolutionize their 'look' beginning with the 850 in the early 90s, then really took off with the introduction of the S80. We are totally convinced of the rightness of this corporate change in philosophy. It is not that Volvo changed its total commitment to its core values of safety and concern for the environment. These values have NOT changed in the slightest. The Goteborg management could see the writing in the sand: the numbers must increase in order to survive and prosper. The company had to attract MORE customers. I do not find any substantial difference with what the management in Trollhattan is doing now. They need and want MORE buyers of Saabs. We think they are making the right decision. I am particularly keen on their revised look and the substantial input the engineers have done on this new platform to give it its Saab distinctiveness. The old platform and its quirky image was just that: old and not selling enough cars. Even though it is now much more in the mainstream, I think the new 9-3 has the best chance in many years of improving sales for the company, and survival IS the name of the game.

    Ciao,

    Larry
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    The current CAR magazine has a nice write up and several photos of the new 9 3. you can find it at barnes and noble or tke it home for $7.95.

    overall they praise the new car, other than saying the engine dose not feel like 175 hp and not quite as smooth as the old Saab motor.

    DL
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The old 9-3 was not as reliable as the 9-5. The 9-5 is a very reliable car. Hopefully, the 9-3's reliability and quality will improve. The car looks nice though. The question will be the price point, and how it competes with the ton of other competitors in the entry-luxo market.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    i bought a early 1999 production 3er and it has been more reliable if you will than any japanese product ive owned,i know most avoid a 1st year production but in my case there have actually been more issues reported with 2000-2001 models.

    i belive starting with the platform the new 9 3 will prove to be much more substantial.As they point out the question is has too much Saab been removed from the car ?, and how will it stand out in the crowd. However even Saab faithful cant be too disapointed in most of the torque steer being removed.....

    At 25k and change for a model with standard leather looks like the pricepoint will be a major selling point.

    Regards,
    DL
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    I thought BMW has a reputation of having problems with first year models, but not afterwards. I see with your 3er, it is not the case.

    It will be interesting to see how the 9-3 does in the reliability department. heck, I believe the 9-5 uses a GM V6 and has proven to be very reliable.

    Also, many magazines are quoting the Saab starting at just over $26K (Car and Drive, Edmunds). This will put it in direct competition with a G35 (though more standard features).
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    I had to think the only other 1st model year car ive owned was a 83 T bird. thinking i was Bill Elliot lol 5.0 V8 with 130 hp laughable huh ?

    anyways i know myself, and Mr Shipo on this board had a early production 328i only had a light bulb burn out in three years of ownership.

    but back to the topic at hand, as a car enthusiast i hope the 9 3 succeds. 9 3 vs a G35, o my dont want to debate that one, but im sure someone will start a thread.

    DL
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The BMW 3-series is still the standard for entry level luxury cars (even though some G35 owners would debate that), but the more competition and cost savings that occure the better it will be for the average buyer. Personally, I am not a Saab fan, but hope it does well. The better it does, the more other car manufacturers will have to rework their cars to compete. This happened with BMW when the IS300 came out (base models had more standard features).
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    guess there arent any Saab posters left, oh well, i just posted on the 3er board of my disgust with t a $750.00 price increase on the 3er for MY 03.So much for competition huh ? Guess BMWNA dont think they have any.... far as the extra standard features they also raised the invoice price 1% that year , negating the extra features.What are you shopping for btw ?

    DL
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Actually, I just recently bought a Subaru WRX. I had tested a used 3-Series with the sport suspension, and the car was not for me.

    The G35 intrigued me, but did not come with a stick, could not get it below MSRP, and needed a car.

    I will be interested when another comparison test happens with the Saab. The previous one was known as a fun car, if you can get by its idosyncracies.

    One last item on the Saab 9-3. The one item that bothers me is the center console layout. Too many buttons. The buttons are small and all are the same size. I know it is minor, but that was the only thing I noticed about the interior that I did not like. A loaded Saab 9-3 below $30K? It will sell, and be a major competitor.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Congrads on your purchase ... wagon or sedan ? . I want to like the Subies, my recent trip to the Poconos were all over the place. Unfortunatly a few things keep me away. One is i cant set in a cloth car without getting a nasty shock! And the other is its a little on the smaller side.Not any worse than a IS mind you, matter a fast to me that IS300 is a joke at 36k, should have been a yota at 24k..

    good luck
    DL
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    I ended up getting a sedan. I actually liked the the cloth seats in the WRX, but did see one with aftermarket leather coverings. Looked really nice.

    The new 9-3 should be bigger on the inside (from the pictures) and definitely looks more luxurious than the WRX. Also, Saabs have a reputation (if I remember correctly) as being a very good bad weather vehicle.

    Finally, snow tires might help your current car. People on these boards have been praising the Bliztaks for their bad weather handling.
  • Saab is a luxury car? Yeah right? Saab wants to compete with the big european carmakers? Fat chance. I just received a promo mailing card regarding the 2003 9-3 and decided to investigate further. My search came to grinding halt when I discovered that the Saab is a FWD vehicle!! If I'm going to drive a "sports sedan" I must have RWD or an optional AWD system at my disposal. Why isn't Saab stepping up to the plate?
  • Hello, clueless!

    Saab has ALWAYS been FWD, even back in the days when there were no FWD cars. They have always used this layout and it is about as ubiquitous as the centre-mounted key.

    If you would read the foreign reviews of this car, you'd know that they have considered it to be a very capable, sporty car.

    If I wanted a true "sports car" like a 911 or something like that, then RWD would be necessary. But on a "sporty sedan", it is not necessary.

    Your search came to a grinding halt? You should have known that Saabs have always been FWD. That's like saying "Why does Saab use a turbo?" It's completely antithetical.

    Audi uses FWD just fine and is a very competitive Euro brand.
  • I went to test drive it and I couldn't even find where the key went......LOL!
  • Geez, I just found out it was made in Sweden.... LOL!
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    had a nice review, the frame is is 4x more rigid than the old one.And no torque steer :).pricing from $25,900 thats more accord range than euro cars really....

    DL
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,867
    I could be wrong, but in a country that gets a lot of winter weather, doesn't it make sense for their auto manufacturers to cater to that market by offering a lot of FWD and AWD vehicles. Doesn't that make sense?

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  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Methinks that is what the folks at Saab have said for many a year.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,794
    ...the same could be said for Volvo. For years they made nothing but RWD and have only recently gone FWD/AWD AFAIK.

    Here in New England we seem to have a disproportianate number of SAABs, Volvos, and Subarus. I remember a local auto writer once bringing up the differences between SAABs and Volvos on the configuration and stated that they both knew how to make a vehicle that performed in snow.

    So it seems that anything will work if engineered properly and in capable hands - emphasis on the latter!!
  • rghesselrghessel Posts: 122
    Does anyone know the official release date of the new Saab 9-3? Also, when will the one with the bigger engine (?Aero) be coming out? I've gotten conflicting messages from my (idiot) dealer...
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    The Linear is scheduled to arrive in showrooms on Oct 1rst, although I have heard that this date has been changed to the 15th. The Arc and the Vector will be available after the first of the year. Seems to me that all three models should have been ready at launch.
  • Does anyone know when the Navigation system will be available for the 2003 9-3? Many of the pictures of the 9-3 that have appeared on the Web show the "cockpit" with the color, LCD Navigation system; however, the initial information on Saab's website make no mention of it being an option.

    I assume the pictures I've seen are actually from the European model. I'm set on getting the Nav system, but wondering how long I might have to wait. (Spare me the Navigation debate -- I have it in my current car and I'm sold on it! I dont deny the "extravagance" arguements, but I want it...)
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I tried to find an article to link you to, but it is gone.

    I believe the Nav system will be available on the Arc and Vectra level 9-3s which will come to NA next Spring and Summer respectively. It will not be an option on the Linear which is set to hit the stores soon.

    With luck you will be able to wait until next Spring. The Arc sounds as though it will be quite a nice package.

    While I am not necessarily a Nav fan, I really like how well Saab integrated the Nav screen with the rest of the dash.
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