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Nissan Maxima 2004 Redesign

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  • tedescm1tedescm1 Posts: 309
    looks more like terry cloth...

    Ithink the car looks really good but would have looked even better with leather on the doors.
  • glenng1glenng1 Posts: 1
    I test drove a new 04 Max SE today in South Dakota. I am looking at replacing a 00 GP. Most of my driving is hiway @ 78mph and I drive 45000 plus miles a year. I am wondering what type of mileage the new buyers are getting out of the Max. The car I drove had the leather seats, the Bose audio package and the Sensory package with the 900 dollar moon roof. The sticker was $31050 or something close but there was a $1995 additional dealer markup along with some other markup items which took the final sticker price to over $32XXX. What are the others seeing in their areas?
    I need a better feel for the mileage numbers as I put on a lot of miles and the price of the car plus gas plus mileage around 20 mpg will not make the grade. Does anyone have some personal experience with what I should or could expect? Again, most of my driving is 300-400 mile runs on the highway at 78mph (speed limit is 75 mph here in South Dakota.
    Thanks for any input.
  • dklaneckydklanecky Posts: 559
    You may want to consider the 2003 Maxima instead of the 2004. The 2003 was made in Japan (the 2004 is made in the USA) and has a excellent overall reputation for excellent long term reliability and very reasonable costs to operate.

    Add in the fact that you can still buy a loaded 2003 Maxima now (MSRP of about 30k) for more than $4k of the MSRP, and you get a pretty compelling value story.

    Go back and check out the Maxima board for years worth of discussion and history on the 95-03 Maximas.

    I am biased as I drive about 30-35k per year on my Maxima(s) (95 GLE and 00 SE) and have had excellent and very low cost (per mile)long term results with both cars.
  • buffaloesbuffaloes Posts: 24
    It appears that to even get traction control, I will have to get the vehicle skid control, which also requires the purchase of another package. Am I correct in assuming that the SE auto does not include traction control standard?
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    11th commandment: don't pay over sticker. If your dealer is puffing up the price because the car is new and scarce, go elsewhere. If he's scamming you when he sells you the car, he will continue to cheat you when you get it serviced. I would never buy a car from a dealer who charges over sticker. It's an immediate sign he's a crook.

    If gas mileage is important to you, you might be happier with a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry 4 cylinder that get far better gas mileage (on regular) than the Maxima.
  • tonvaltonval Posts: 2
    After options the 04Maxima is being offerred for $32-$35k. The 03G35 is "out the door" at $31.5k with Premium Pkg and Sport Suspension. Why buy the Maxima?
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    Because I like the interior of the Maxima more for some reason.
  • They really are 2 different cars.

    I think the SL max has some pretty cool features for me. The folding mirrors are great because I have a tight fit in the garage.

    The back seat is flatter and wider which will help with getting 3 car seats.

    Trunk is larger.

    If I didn't have other things to worry about, I would get the 350 Z or G35 coupe. Teh max is more of a ffamily sedan in my opinion. And probably will be 3 to 5 thousand different in price when you compare the acttual sales prices out the door.
  • beanctrbeanctr Posts: 99
    glenng1,

    My 02 Max SE w/6sp averages nearly 26MPG on 95% highway driving (avg speed approx 65MPH). While these figures aren't for the 04 Max, I would expect them to be similar
  • aramusaramus Posts: 5
    I test drove a 04 Maxima with a 6 sp manual. Was very impressed with the car's performance. Nissan website does not allow VDC with the manual transmission, only the automatic. Other cars such as a G 35, have VDC with the manual. Anyone know why? Is VDC the same as other cars Stability Program, and does it do anything?
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    I intend to test drive the new 04 Maxima with a 6 speed (if I can find one). I like the looks of the new car. I wonder about the quality though, because it looks like it has been steadily decreasing on Maximas after the 1999 model. I test drove an 03 SE with a 6 speed and was not one bit impressed.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    The first Maxima to hit the showroom at the local Nissan dealership in my area was a 3.5SE Maxima in Red Opulence with Black leather. That thing is nice as heck. I wish I could afford it, but I cannot. I probably could get the Altima but not the Maxima.

    That Maxima is still there at the dealer. Actually my cousin and I sat inside of it yesterday (Saturday) and I was impressed by it. The materials, while cheap, were better than the Altima's.
  • alexxxalexxx Posts: 7
    Right on! - 04Maxima vs 03G35 Pricing by tonval

    Some more thoughts on "Why buy the Maxima?"

    better then ">"

    Infinity > Nissan (that's why Infinity was introduced to the market)

    RWD > FWD (there is no FWD cars as you go over 35K, think about it...)

    Infinity service > Nissan service (believe me after paying %34K you don't want to be treated as a regular nissan owner, on the other hand I've heard that Infinity service is very good)

    and last but not least

    Infinity driver image > Nissan driver image (if car is not just a 'motorized vehicle' in your point of view, but at some degree an image statement, you might want to lean towards Infinity)

    ps. I'm a Maxima owner and a very happy one. It's just Maxima became so expensive that it is time to move forward -> to G35 (or others $35K cars)
  • tonvaltonval Posts: 2
    TonVal Writes:

    So now I've driven the 04 Maxima 6sp Manual and the 03.5 G35 5sp Automatic.

    Both are very powerful vehicles. Compared to my 89Supra Turbo, there is a lot of guts in the normally aspirated Nissan Engine.

    The 04Max "pulls" through the entire powerband. The tranny is shifts are short and hit the mark perfectly every time. I'm afraid that my left calf muscle will begin to get smaller switching from the Supra (5sp) to the Maxima.

    The 03.5G35 gives the same launch off the line and through the entire powerband but I can feel the "push" rather than the pull of the fwd. I didn't drive the 6sp manual G35 but I wanted to try out the tiptronic tranny. I really like it. It shifts quickly and with guts, but it is forgiving and in stop & go, will deal with forgetting to shift. I do a lot of talking on the phone while driving (hands-free installed of course) and not having to shift may be a plus.

    My wife was with me during both drives. She likes the Maxima better, I like the G35. I think it's something to do with the rear-haunches of the body. The G35 looks like it wants to jump forward, while the Maxima sort of wants to slide-out.

    Interior of both are nice, altough my teens like the reclining rear seats of the G35. I like the Elite package (rear-bucket seats) of the Maxima but it's a $6500 option.

    At this point, it may come down to salesmen since the salesman at the local Nissan dealer is a good friend (not that it will make much of a differnece since it's the GM who authorizes the deal).

    On Saturday AutoWay Nissan - Clearwater started the day with 11 04 Maxima's. That night they had only 5 left.

    Same day, Lokey Infiniti had like 45 G35's (mix of 03 and 03.5 models...there's a difference). I think they're turning into a museum.

    In the end, I have a couple of weeks before I'm going to buy since I'm travelling on business the rest of this week.

    p.s. The supra has 125000 miles and a leak in the powersteering. I'm thinking about trading it for a clean 74 260Z...Would you do it?

    TonVal
  • 92drexel92drexel Posts: 153
    If I had preteen or teenage kids and/or lived in snowy climates, then the max may be the choice (increased size and FWD).

    I love G35s and if I didn't have kids , and lived in a warm climate, then that would be my choice (G35). The G is definately better relative to service, resale value, image (if that's important), etc.

    I guess that's how Nissan defines these cars. If you want room, then go for a max...if you want handling, prestige, and service then go for the G.

    There are a few cars over 35k that have FWD. Offhand, I think these are FWD: all caddys (except CTS and Escalade), Acura RL?, Saabs? (I think). You can make the case that none of these are 'sport sedans' except for maybe the Saab.
  • mirthmirth Posts: 1,212
    I don't agree that RWD is better than FWD in all cases. It's certainly better for sporty driving, no doubt about it. But if you take a FWD car and a RWD car, and put the same tires on them, I don't care how many traction or stability systems the RWD has, it's going to handle more poorly in wet/snowy/icy conditions (I speak from experience).

    If you live somewhere warm like California, I say definitely get a RWD car. If you live somewhere where you get snow from time to time, RWD can become a serious PIA.
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    I believe most Volvos, including the $36,000+ S80, are FWD... some have an AWD option.
  • Yup. You nailed it.

    My Dad's 2001 Volvo C70 Conv. was $41K and is front wheel drive. I can't stand it.

    Now he wants another $40K+ Audi Convertible (FWD as well). I can't convince him on a CLK or 3 series. :-(

    Obi
  • alexxxalexxx Posts: 7
    I do not dispute some advantages of FWD on slippery surfaces, although AWD will be the ultimate solution for this.

    You must remember that FWD was introduced mainly because of cost cuts. Car manufactures can save up to 20% on parts and assembly line, simply because power plant is all-in-one (engine + transmission + differential ) And it was great while this saving reached consumers. (historically FWD cars were cheaper then classic layout cars).

    I respect FWD on Volvo, because Volvo is heavier car and it is not build for performance, but for safety.

    When it comes to performance, weight distribution is always a problem for FWD cars.
    Also, as we got passed 250hp on FWD cars, torque stir became a big problem. Car makes are dealing with this problem by offering some optional equipment witch will reduce it, but guess who will end up paying for it ???
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    The new Maxima (04) retail price can easily reach mid thirties with all options. If you think Maxima is quick, test drive the new Infinity M 45. Powered by a 4.5 liter 340 horsepower V8, it will leave any Maxima in the dust. And you can buy the base car for as little as $ 37K if you bargain hard (no good deals out there on the 04 Maxima at this point).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Too bad its universally accepted that the M45 is about as beautiful as a Crown Victoria. The Max looks far more agressive, and at least has a unique interior. The Max will also likely handle far better, though I cannot attest since I have not driven both.

    ~alpha
  • monte4monte4 Posts: 101
    You might be correct but the M45 isnt selling to well at all, the bland style hasnt grown on the public and it has been out a while now(looks like a slighly revised 95-2000 Q45, not good). Also 37K I havent seen one yet all of the ones I see are in the 40's!
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    The retail price of the car I test drove was about $ 43K. They were willing to sell it for $ 37K. This is a rear wheel drive car so it is not a fair comparison to the Maxima but the engine and drivetrain is superbly refined and the car literally flies. Leather interior is standard on this vehicle, as is dual automatic climate control, Bose stereo with a CD changer, 5 speed auto transmission with a manual shift mode, electronic traction control, power telescopic steering wheel etc. Sunroof is about $ 1000 extra. There are also other options, such as navigation system and voice recognition system, which can drive the retail price up to almost 49K. If you can live without these fancy and questionable options, you can get the car at a very attractive price.

    Note: I test drove two 03 Maxima SE 6 speeds recently. Both had distinct vibration in the steering wheel around 60 MPH, probably due to lousy tires or bad balance. I was very serious about buying an 03 Maxima, but this experience left really bad taste in my mouth. Test driving an M45 was an incomparably more satisfying experience. Finally, I do not share your observations about the M45 bland looks. Some people think that the 04 Maxima is absolutely ugly. Personally I do not.
  • teenboy13teenboy13 Posts: 17
    Saw my first 2004 Maxima 3.5SL this morning. In Majestic Blue with Cafe Latte Leather. The front of the car isn't exactly ok but I could handle with the back of it. The only option it had was the Power Glass Sunroof.
  • prayerforprayerfor Posts: 161
    $37K for a flying car does seem very reasonable.
  • prayerforprayerfor Posts: 161
    In fact for that money they ought to be flying off the lots.
  • dklaneckydklanecky Posts: 559
    average selling price has been less than about 27k for the last 8 years.
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    Thank you for very constructive comments on the M 45. Yes, I personally like the BMW M5 or Mercedes E500 better, but most people do not have money to burn and I was trying to point out that this is one affordable muscle car, pretty close to Nissan Maxima's price. If you want to talk ugly cars, let's talk about Pontiac Aztec or Honda Element.....
  • prayerforprayerfor Posts: 161
    p100 --

    I understand what you were trying to point out about the M45. However what you said in #494 is, "the car literally flies." This caught my attention, as I was unaware that the M45 is capable of taking flight. In spite of the attendant driver training, licensing and traffic control ramifications, this breakthrough would assuredly revolutionize automotive travel; thus I opined that the car ought to sell very well priced at only $37K.

    Or, in other words, I'm just joking around...
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    On a whim I took a Maxima 6 speed Manual for a test drive last night.

    This is a fun car with lots of torque and a big interior. It definitely has power to spare. However for a few reasons, I think the automatic is the tranny for that car.

    First, the clutch requires some effort. By the end of the test drive, I noticed my leg was not precisely sore, but I could tell I had been using it. The car is such that it will go fast in just about any gear.

    The times I did get on it, I could feel the torque steer, it would bite on one side or the other.

    I think a Manu-matic is the way to go with the Maxima. It lends itself to a relaxed style of driving and not a banzai mode like a 4 cylinder stick would.
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