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Nissan Maxima 2004 Redesign

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  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    I totally agree with you about the Malibu and Vectra. The front end of the Malibu is worse than the Maxima IMO. Given the info and pictures of the 04 Malibu, I don't see it competing with the Altima and Camcord.

    But back to the 04 Maxima, I think the biggest mistake by Nissan was not making the 5 speed automatic a choice on both the SE AND SL. Just because the SL is the "luxury" version, doesn't mean that the buyers don't want a quicker downshifting, more efficient transmission.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    YO! We should set up a time to grab a drink and talk about the new Max... you up for Mad Mex? You going to Blue/White this wknd?

    WE ARE.....

    ~alpha
  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    Joe,

    I just sent you an email. BTW, does alpha01 signify that you belong to a fraternity, just curious?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the GM faithful will argue that the Malibu doesn't need to be an equal competitor to those class leaders.

    See that maxima TV ad with the black Max? me want.
  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    For some strange reason, the copper color appeals to me(with a black interior). Yummy!!
  • It is really interesting how people can think the exact opposite about a car.

    I have the 04 SL Black with Frost leather and Driver preferred package.

    I think the Skyview is one of the best things about the car.

    It gives you lots of room and the kids (5 and 3) really think it is cool!

    I have had several cars with sunroofs and really could care less if I ever had another. They are noisy, tend to leak and I just rarely opened mine.

    With the Skyview, I feel like I get the best of both worlds without losing headroom.

    As for this cars place in the car world. I really think this is Nissans attempt to compete with the Toyota Avalon. I think you will continue to see more refinement to the upper end (an more costs that will make it more in line with Avalon)while at the same time they will continue to improve the Altima and it will essentially be the direct competitor to the Camry.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    Three recent reviews of the '04 Maxima--Car & Driver, Road & Track, and Money/CNN. All quite negative. If it continues, this car's going to be heavily discounted. Designers tried to distinguish it from the Altima, added gimmicks like the faux sun roof, back seat buckets, excessive power for front drive (producing torque steer), etc. Yet all three tested cars had stick shift. I drove both the SL and SE with automatic, and noticed no torque steer in the SL and only a slight amount during hard acceleration in the SE.
  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    "Yet all three tested cars had stick shift. I drove both the SL and SE with automatic, and noticed no torque steer in the SL and only a slight amount during hard acceleration in the SE."

    That is the problem with a lot of the reviews, almost all of the tested vehicles are manuals, despite the fact that a majority purchase automatics. Car and Driver is especially biased toward manuals/ more "performance-oriented" testing; even their recent economy test, the cars were manuals, and the Protege won despite being noisy and having a choppy ride.

    The bad reviews might help consumers in one way, by forcing Nissan to offer discounts more quickly. The only way, despite the reviews, to find out if the 04 Max is the appropriate car for people, is to go a test drive one in the form (SE/SL) that you are most likely to purchase.
  • jaquinojaquino Posts: 90
    mention the fact that the Maxima still has the dreaded torque steer problem.

    If Honda can eliminate/minimize the Torque Steer on their 240HP Accord, why cant Nissan? In fact every manufacturer has found some way to deal with the Torque steer (Honda, Toyota, Audi, Cadillac etc.). Nissan still refuses to address the issue, and I dont understand it (that is the impression you get when reading the reviews, they make it sound like the torque steer is pretty bad on this car.)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The answer to your question lies within. (Ahh, I sound so wise)

    "If Honda can eliminate/minimize the Torque Steer on their 240HP Accord, why cant Nissan? In fact every manufacturer has found some way to deal with the Torque steer (Honda, Toyota, Audi, Cadillac etc."

    Torque steer has very little to do with horsepower, which is the figure you cite in reference to the Accord. The 240hp Accord produces only 212lb ft. of torque, where as the Maxima produces 255lb. ft. There in lies the problem.

    To that extent, torque steer is still very much an issue in front drive Cadillacs. Audi's higher torque vehicles use Quattro. Toyota's highest torque front drive engine has not been introduced in cars yet (I'm referring to the 3.3L 240lb ft) and so its current highest torque front drive engine produces 220 lb. ft.

    ~alpha
  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    that TORQUE steer is a problem with cars that have higher TORQUE in relation to its HP rating. The amount of torque in Nissan cars is what makes them so much fun to drive, and also makes them more susceptible to torque steer. I would rather deal with a car that at WOT has a little torque steer than a car that has very little torque, so it feels like you have no low-end power, or makes you rev to 6-7000 rpm to get any power. My mom's 97 Escort may only have 110 hp, but it has 127 lb/ft of torque @ 3750 rpm which makes it feel strong throughout the rev band. I actually don't mind driving her car, unlike my dad's 97 Sonata that has 127 hp, and similar torque, but it feels very sluggish off the line.
  • jaquinojaquino Posts: 90
    alpha01: "Torque steer has very little to do with horsepower, which is the figure you cite in reference to the Accord. The 240hp Accord produces only 212lb ft. of torque, where as the Maxima produces 255lb. ft. There in lies the problem."

    Yes, that makes sense when you think about it, being that the Nissan Maxima produces more Torque in their FWD Maxima than any manufacturer I can think of ...

    however, even back in 1995 when I was test driving a Nissan Sentra SE-R, it had terrible torque steer. All I did was punch the accelerator then all of a sudden the steering wheel had a mind of its own. The thing only had 140 HP, and torque lbs/ft was probably around 140 as well!

    I only mentioned the 240HP rating of the Accord because I did not want my comparison to be confused with the four cylinder model. I probably should have stated the "V6 Accord "rather than the HP rating.

    There is always going to be a torque-steer problem on high torque/hp FWD vehicles, that is a given. But I think most of the reviewers are complaining about is the fact that Nissan vehicles tend to be the worse of the bunch.

    Take for example, the Nissan Sentra Spec-V. This vehicle has only 180 lb/ft of torque, but that thing has torque steer problem as well. This review sums it up: "Its hard to enjoy what is otherwise a nice, little sporty sedan with all that torque steer."

    http://cartalk.cars.com/Info/Testdrive/Reviews/nissan-sentra-2002- - - - - .html

    Going by your example, the Sentra should not be exhibiting that much torque steer because it only has 180 torque, far less than the Accord's 212. But clearly this is not the case.

    Dont get me wrong, I love the Nissan Maxima. I always wanted one, and I am serioulsy considering the 2004 model. However, I think Nissan really needs to address this issue.

    Nissan is probably using unequal length drive shafts, which is probably the main reason why their FWD cars tend to turn to the right when "torque steer" rears its ugly head. If you look at the Maxima's engine bay, you will notice the engine is positioned to the right.

    Oh well, I still like the new 2004 Maxima.
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    The Acura CL-S' torque rating (232 lb/ft) is much closer to the Maxima than the Accord V6, and it keeps torque steer well under control. And the CL-S is even closer to the Altima (246 lb/ft), another Nissan that is frequently criticized for excessive torque steer. At this level, 14 or 23 more lb/ft of torque doesn't take a powerful car from "the torque rating that doesn't cause torque steer" to "the torque rating that does cause torque steer".

    Besides, I think the staff of magazines such as Car and Driver gets the fact that there is a correlation between torque and torque steer, yet they're the ones who criticize Nissan for their inability to tame torque steer on the Altima and Maxima. Clearly, "lots more torque" is no excuse for the torque steer problem. And Nissan should be able to do much better.
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    The Altima/Maxima platform does in fact use unequal-length half shafts, and that is probably the main reason they have so much torque steer.

    I still think Nissan should have offered an AWD system on the Maxima. That would have cured the torque-steer problem and given it a more legitimate claim to sportiness.
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    I do not see this as a big problem on my 5 speed 98 SE. I take off from a standing start rather conservatively and then increase my speed gradually. This car will always spin wheels when I release the clutch abruptly. Torque steer generally can be annoying only if you really stomp on the gas from a standing start and do not hold onto the steering wheel very hard. How many of us really drive like this habitually? Jackrabbit starts are not very economical for one thing.
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    It appears that the 03 I35 may be a better deal. Because of the G35, they are discontinuing the I35 and there should be some good deals out there on the remaining ones. I compared one to an 03 GLE and the price was only about 1500 more, but the car looked far more luxurious inside. Also, the warranty cannot be beat (60K, 4 years) This is better than the Mercedes warranty (50K, 5 years). The only problem is you cannot get a manual transmission I35. There is new 6 speed G 35 out there though and it is gorgeous!
  • p100p100 Posts: 1,116
    It appears that the 03 I35 may be a better deal. Because of the G35, they are discontinuing the I35 and there should be some good deals out there on the remaining ones. I compared one to an 03 GLE and the price was only about 1500 more, but the car looked far more luxurious inside. Also, the warranty cannot be beat (60K, 4 years) This is better than the Mercedes warranty (50K, 5 years.) the only problem is you cannot get a manual transmission I35. There is new 6 speed G 35 out there though and it is gorgeous!
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    A lot of the issue has to do with how the Maxima is marketed and positioned. Look at the ads... they're definitely sticking with the high performance sports sedan image. Even though most of us don't drive like they show in the ads, some people also feel that, if the car is truly a high performance sports sedan, it should be able to handle the power that it has available without exhibiting undesirable behavior such as torque steer.

    I agree with you that aggressive driving isn't economical, but if they had really meant the Maxima to be economical, they wouldn't have given it a 265 hp engine. So, depending on your driving style, some people may experience torque steer more than others... the point is that, with a "high performance sports sedan", you really shouldn't experience it at all.
  • I love the new Maxima. It's sporty and classy at the same time. I haven't taken it for a test drive yet, but plan to do so today and I'm sure I'll love it even more. This is my question. I bought the 02 Altima last August and do like it, a lot! But that Maxima is sweet!!! How does trading in a car work? I inherited a 10 yr old Nissan Sentra that I drove for 3 yrs, so I'm new at buying new cars.

    I don't plan to do anything yet, but want to be prepared when hubby and I are ready to wheel and deal. My Altima 2.5S has leather seats, sunroof, wheel locks and something else I can't remember. No power seats. Dealer said that Ameritech bought a fleet of Altima 2.5S models and reneged on the contract. Therefore, he spruced them up with incentives so as to move them off his lot. Not sure if I believe story, but it was a great deal for me.

    Anyhow, the Blue Book value of my car is $17,000. How would a trade in work? Thanks
  • teenboy13teenboy13 Posts: 17
    went to the NY auto show earlier today...sat in the 2004 Maxima 3.5SE in Radiant Ember with the Burnt Orange Leather and Elite Package. Didn't really like the color but overall exterior was okay but i do not like that dash. the line right down the middle seems like each part is for the driver or passenger. seats are comfy tho :)
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