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BMW 5-Series Wagon 2004 Redesign



  • zhangqjzhangqj Posts: 15
    The new 7er increased sales by some 60% in the first year and still pretty hot. That would be far from a complete disaster. I myself think the 745 exterior looks great. The iDrive software problems may be a near disaster, but could also be termed first year glitch. If BMW doesn't price the new 5 series out of most people's reach, it seems a certain success.
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    People are bashing on Bangle for no reason. They judge without seeing the car in person. They criticize Bangle because that's the fashion du jour.

    Come on, people, grow up! Wait until you see the car. Make yourself your OWN judgement. Judging after what the press says is doomed to be biased. If they were so right, the 7 series would be a flop, and it's not.

    Why on Earth are people so reluctant to change is beyond me.
  • Has anyone heard anything regarding whether they'll offer 4 wheel drive like they currently offer in the 3 series. It seems like a good idea if they want to be even more competitive with the A6 and its supposed upcoming redesign.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The following is a re-post of a message that I wrote on the 5-Series board last week:

    In the past I have been critisized about my stance regarding my reactions to the look of the E60. Someone even went so far as to say, "Shipo, just face it, you don't like change." Grrrrr, given that as a systems designer I have been creating new things and implimenting "Change" for over 25 years, "Change" is not the issue. In addition, back when I was doing a project at MB-USA in the winter of 1995/1996, the folks down the street at BMW-USA brought over one of the early production E39s (a 528i) which we sat side-by-side with one of our early prototype W210 E-Classes. I have to say, I loved both cars, but the E39 simply took my breath away, I had to have one.

    My point is that I LOVE change, that is what I live for, that is what I do. That said, change for the better is what I stive for in all that I create, and while the new E60 is certainly better in many technical ways, it falls so far short of that mark visually that I am wondering just how long I will be keeping my E39.

    Best Regards,
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That was my own judgement, albeit with a humorous bent. I didn't read the text or any press bashing on the new 5. I formed my own opinion.

    The 7 looked bad in photos and worse in person, to my eyes. And BMW seems to agree because they've ordered an emergency face-lift. Kind of recalls the Aztec fiasco at Pontiac.

    Sales for the 7 are good despite the styling, not because of it. Imagine an Alfa Romeo exterior? They could not produce enough of them.

    "Change" is a pretty vague concept. The new E-class looks better. The new Jag is sharp. Alfas and Audis are gorgeous. Audis in particular changed substantially yet they look gorgeous. Remember the old Audi 100? No? Me neither. I loved the change.

  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    About all we know for certain is this: sales are very good. Beyond that, all is sheer conjecture. We don't know why sales are so good. We don't know if sales would be better if anything changed (other than by lowering the price, which they don't need to since sales have been good).

    Given its price and the deterioration of the worldwide economic scene, including USA, over the past two years, sales have been quite impressive.

    The new 7 is an impressive car. Some people have complained about styling and idrive.

    styling: Who knows what potential buyers think? Many have complained. Many like it. A lot have bought it. Who knows if the restyle will be well received? Will same people complaining today be complaining about it? Will sales increase or decrease?

    idrive: Who knows how many buyers in this price range even care about idrive. Maybe they paid someone to explain it to them? Isn't dealer supposed to go over it in great detail at time of sale?
  • svrancasvranca Posts: 3
    Hey guys,
    are you all crazy. The new 5 is UNBELIEVABLE. I believe it is the best design BMW ever. I did not like the 7 when it first came out but I grew to like it. The new five takes the 7 design to another level. It is a gorgeous machine. I am glad BMW is moving toward the future all the past models are looking their age...OLD. I owned several 3, 5, and 7's...I am happy with the change. Future on our hands...the ultimate DRIVING MACHINE.
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    The question is: where are the cupholders? :-)
  • cbgb1975cbgb1975 Posts: 51
    1violinist has surfaced my curiosity and maybe some others on the board...I'm thinking the cupholders are beneath the panel next to cell phone holder, on the driver's right elbow,not on the dash. Who else has a guess? Winner gets bragging rights and the right to design.
  • You people are assuming that there are cup holders in this vehicle. After 7 years of complaints about E39 cupholders, Bangle probably just kept them out of the E60.
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    On the contrary, after 7 years of complaints about E39 cupholders, Bangle probably would personally ride in the passenger seat of the E60 and hold the cup for you! LOL :-)
  • If you have really looked at the new fotos, has some great ones, nothing can come close except the 740, As a cuurent lexus gs300 owner i can't wait to order mine, dealer today said i can easily get delivery by november in so florida, it blows away the 2003 in every way, and for about the same price, resale does matter, who wants to buy a car last designed in 97 and own it till '06? not me. after 3 years in a nice, but very mushy and over rated suped up toyota, im getting a 530I as soon as i can!
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    sundevildrew: Congratulations!

    Did the dealer give you any price quotes?
    What about colors or option packages?

    Good luck!
  • brucebsfbrucebsf Posts: 1
    Bangle needs to re-designed! I've had a 75, 79, 85 and 99 5 Series. We just turned in our 99 for a 330ci. We condsidered waiting for the new 5 but based on pics and hearing that the iDrive would be part of the new model, we went with the 330. The new 5 looks bloated, is not sexy and will loose sales if they keep that stupid iDrive in it. People buy these cars because they have been fun to drive...not because they are electronic gadgets on four wheels! Bangle has managed to take one of the coolest looking cars on the road with a distinctive look and turn it into something like a GM POS! I hope they are not going to forget what drew people to their cars: uniqueness!
  • I just sold my 97 528i, I could not wait for the 2004 5 to show up! and puchased a new 745LI,,this car is amazing, drives incredibly,,no software problems..I-drive is too easy, I love the voice command and phone. I have the convenience package, PDC, shades, Luxury Seating and 19" rims in Black/Tan. I was going to buy an E500, but the back seat was so tight and small, I went for the 7. From the pictures, it does not look like the 5 is getting larger in the rear, but they say it will, as Mercedes said it increased on the E class. But it does look cool, but still think the 745 looks much better...Cant wait to see it in person...
  • kimlarkimlar Posts: 1
    The car looks great! I plan to buy in October, 2004. What is the projected cost of the 530?
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    Congratulations! You'd be looking at $50 grand, more or less depending on options.

  • 5speed55speed5 Posts: 31
    I think the design of the exterior and interior is a necessary process of 'evolution'. The car's design HAD to change due too it's age. To mimic the flagship 7-series design makes sense. I will reserve judgement until I see it in person.

    My disappointment comes from the 6 cylinder engine. I was hoping they would have bumped up the displacement to at least 3.2l if not 3.5l. But I guess when BMW is making major changes on the car the whole world uses as 'reference', they wanted to stick with something they could definitely count on. Rules out potential problems all across the board. The 540 becomes the 545 because that engine has already been 'proven' in the 7-series.

    With an '04 on order, and a desire to stay with the 6 cylinder, I will probably wait until '05 to see them work out any 'bugs'. Also, I will still be hopefull for a larger engine (like the E39 change from 2.8 to 3.0).
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    Just look at how the current I6s perform wrt the competition. No need!

    As to why the 2.8l "became" a 3.0l (the 3.0l is in fact a new design), BMW was forced to do so because it introduced the 330d, which was its most serious competitor at this time... And similarly they brought back the 2.5l to its specs before it was decreased to 2.3l, not to conflict with the then top of the line 328i.

    Want more, buy a V8 version.

    As a side note I resent the fact that the next M3 will have a V8 under the hood. BMW will lose some of its exclusivity on this one. Too bad.
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