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Dodge Dakota Future Models



  • spike50spike50 Posts: 481
    ford_bii - Seems that you're falling for sunburn's pipe dream. I too have pined over the idea of a small turbo diesel powered Dakota. Plenty of Benz power plant / transmission combos to choose from.

    A friend of mine had a Ram 1500, traded it for a F150 crew cab, and recently traded it for a diesel Ram 2500 (I think) so he could pull a trailer of 4-wheelers. Although the diesel part is OK, the rest of the truck is so heavy-duty that it is uncomfortable as a daily driver (unloaded). I'm just remembering how other Dak owners have complained about a harsh ride.

    My rambling is coming around to the point that maybe we wouldn't like the end product (too rough). I'm sure that a more pleasant (mama bear) version could be produced but DC would only do it if the sales were there. I also think that diesels are restricted to fewer models than in the old days for environmental reasons, which is another hurdle. DC would probably prefer you buy their Ram 2500 / 3500 versus all that extra work.
  • ford_biiford_bii Posts: 120
    Yes, a pipe dream it most likely is.

    BUT, with rising gas prices and emissions, you have to wonder if more manufacturers won't try a diesel soon. If Ford/GM/Honda/Toyota are willing to invest research in Hybrid vehicles, why not diesels?

    Why do people pick hybrids? Usually it's gas mileage (I think). I think most people like myself are turned off on hybrids when we think of the cost to repair and the fact that they've pretty much only been small vehicles (and are not as powerful as their gas equivalents). I found an article on the E320 diesel and it gets 30 mpg in the Benz. That translates to low to mid 20's in a Dakota. So, if you were told that you could get 30% better gas mileage using proven reliable technology, with the only caveat being you have to pump from a different pump, would you do it? I sure would. Not to mention I get 68 more lb-ft of torque to boot.

    A pipe dream, certainly, but I think smaller diesels are going to become an interim step to hybrid technology in the future as gas prices continue to rise and emissions become stricter.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    The RAM is a heavy duty truck that is not going to be plush. However, putting one of Daimler Chrysler's excellent European diesels in a Dakota would not hurt its comfort level one bit while providing an efficient engine with decent hp and strong torque. Sounds like the perfect midsized pickup to me.

    The thing to remember is every diesel being brought to the market right now is a gamble that somehow the manufacturers will figure out a way to meet the new tougher 2007 pollution requirements, or that these requirments will be softened. If either is the case, you will see a much larger investment in diesels. If it is not the case, diesel usage will retreat back to being only for heavy duty pick-ups.
  • spike50spike50 Posts: 481
    I was reading the most recent Four Wheeler mag tonight and they had a mini-debate about gas versus diesel. Their two biggest points were the environmental pollution (only available on 3/4 ton and bigger) and cost. They weren't specific about engine sizes or manufacturer but they were quoting that there could be as much as a $6000 price increase for a diesel rig and that the pay back period wouldn't be worth it.

    Personally, I wish Dakota had a diesel option but remembering back to the fall/winter/spring or 1999/2000, gas was only $0.85/gal. Ahhh the good old days.
  • I'm still dreaming too... but if they will do it in a Liberty, then why not a Dakota? There's a reason (sales and marketing motivated, I'm sure) why they're offering a diesel in the Liberty, I'm hoping that same reason will encourage DC to offer a diesel in the new Dakota, too.

    One thing I'm certain of is that the ol' girl's Cherokee is gonna get traded in for a Liberty CRD, asap., while in dreamland, can we have a 6" suspension lift in the new Dak too? :-)
  • ron35ron35 Posts: 134
    Below is a link to an interesting article comparing the 05 Dakota and Frontier.
  • bookittybookitty Posts: 1,303
    Ron, thanks for the link. Very interesting article. I noticed on the comparison specifications, that Nissan had a 6 speed manual as standard, versus a 5 speed automatic for Dodge, unless that was a typo.

  • mopar67mopar67 Posts: 728
    who's supplying the frame for the new Dak? Tower? Magna? AO Smith?
    Also, will it feature full box hyrdroformed sections?
    I also read that the torsion bar setup will be gone on the 2005 models. Not sure on this one but I caught wind of it somewhere.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926

    It will incorporate a full box hydroformed frame, be lighter than the current Dakota backbone, and approximately 35% stiffer in multiaxis. There's nothing wrong with the current Dakota frame, by the way, which is stiffer torsionally than the current GM versions.

    I do not know who will be manufacturing the Dakota frame.

    Yeah, I think they are using coils to replace the torsion bars, too.

    Best regards,
  • mopar67mopar67 Posts: 728
    as they currently have the Ram and Current Generation Dakota.

    Oh well, suffice it to say its much easier identifying who makes what for Dodge than it is Suzuki.
  • bigrockbigrock Posts: 2
    i was looking through that article in truck trend about the upcoming 2005 dodge dakota, and i was shocked to see in the specs page that it lists that premium unleaded is required in the new truck. i know that motor trend has typos and that the 4.7 in the current dakota runs on regular, but does anyone know if this is true? if it is, that would totally suck. that's what keeps me from getting a ram w/ a hemi, i couldn't stand pumping midgrade into a truck. i would save that for those crap audi's.
  • haselhasel Posts: 64
    I believe there will be two versions of the 4.7liter V8 in 2005, one will need premium fuel.
  • iowabigguyiowabigguy Posts: 552
    The Ram 1500 with the Hemi does not require premium grade gas. The owners manual suggests 89 octane mid grade for optimal performance but says 87 octane can be used. I have just turned over 15,000 miles on my 2003 Ram 1500 Hemi and other than a couple of tanks trying to see if there was an advantage using 89 octane (there wasn't) it has lived on a steady diet of 87 octane with no ill effects. My average MPG over the 15,000 miles is 14.2. Rick
  • ron35ron35 Posts: 134
    Hasel is correct there are two versions of the 4.7, regular and High Output. The High Output has about 15 more horsepower and requires premium. I believe that I also read that if you get the HO version you can only get an automatic transmission with it and don't have the option of a manual transmission.

  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Here it is already in August. Has anyone heard a due date for the 2005 Dakota?

    Also, has anyone heard any reliable info regarding towing?
  • sunburnsunburn Posts: 319
    The Detroit News had an article on the 2005 Dakota today. Here's the link for those that are interested:
  • glzr2glzr2 Posts: 70
    Good articles. Has anyone ordered an '05 model? I didn't see any info on the Dodge web site? October isn't that far away, and I didn't know if the dealers were taking orders.
  • iowabigguyiowabigguy Posts: 552
    Chrysler Adds Even More Horsepower to HEMI® with New 2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8

    Additional 85 horses - 25 percent more power - builds more momentum for HEMI® and Chrysler 300

    Chrysler reveals 425-horsepower Chrysler 300C SRT-8, powered by new 6.1-liter HEMI V-8

    Now I want one of these shoehorned into a 2005 Dakota Quad Cab. <grin> Rick
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926

    A year-and-a-half ago it was revealed that Chrysler was working on TWO larger displacements versions of the 5.7 Hemi engine. That may now be down to one with two or more horsepower versions instead. I thought that it would be a 6.0 liter engine, but I guess they decided to go 6.1.

    I'm pretty sure you'll see a 6.1 in the RAM series at '05 announcement or just after, but I don't think it'll be 425 HP. Unfortunately, I don't believe you'll ever see the 353 Hemi block in a Dakota.

    Best regards,
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