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Honda Latitude

revkarevka Posts: 1,750
edited March 21 in Honda
Rumor has it that Honda will be bringing this wagon to the USA. Anyone know more about this...? Thanks for any news. ;-)

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  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    Yes, my wife could use a Latitude. Something she can steer. The Odyssey is too big and too expensive especially for us overtaxed Canadians. Note the number of poor Canadians on these forums.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Count me in on that! Despite our poverty, we could use a little Latitude.

    I expect the Latitude will do well here -- the smaller Mazda MPV does much better here (1.2% share of total mkt)than in the USA (0.4% share), and I remember reading somewhere that the split between regular and Grand Caravan/Voyagers is 60/40 in Canada, and 40/60 in the USA. The Nissan Axxess and Eagle Summit wagons sold much better here too.

    However, it all comes down to pricing. Let's hope they can price it under $25K. The Stream goes for about 2,000 euros less than the CR-V in Germany, so $25K should be realistic.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,328
    anybody got a picture of this thing?? What are we talking about here? Imprezza Wagon size? Saturn L Wagon size? What?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    here

    can't say i'm not sure how i stand with the looks, hopefully it will look better in real life.

    ps. huh - I'm the 5th poster on this thread? drats revka... you pulled a fast one on me (-;
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    when it gets here in North America

    First: It could get a bigger engine. Actually this would be fine as long as the fuel efficiency is kept (I doubt it).

    Second: It will loose it's 3rd row seat and compete with the Toyota Matrix instead of setting a new Micro van trend. I'm sure there will be takers, but it would be nice to set new grounds for smaller efficient MPV's here in NA.

    oh btw, for the 1st timers: The Stream in Europw is what will be the Latitude in NA.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Thanks for bringing up the subject in our Honda Fit/Jazz discussion. So where's that article you linked there? Perhaps you'd like to copy/paste it over here.... ;-)

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  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    this Latitude thingy. Here's a link. I hate to think all those good input from our friends go to nirvana.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Credit for breaking the news about the Stream coming over under the Latitude banner goes to Ropedart (over in the Honda Element discussion). He mentioned this about a week or two ago. I've been bouncing between the Fit/Jazz thread and the Honda Element thread looking for discusisons on this car.

    I'm glad Revka opened up this thread -- I had e-mailed Steve in the Vans board to get him to de-archive the Honda Stream thread, but I guess he never did.

    As long as we have a place to meet and chat, I'm happy. Thanks for posting that link, Marcb. Topgear magazine from the UK had a great 2-way comparison of the Stream against the Zafira in their Oct 2001 issue. They don't seem to keep it on their site though.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    Roughly the Latitude will be taller than a Suzuki Aerio but has about the width/length of the Focus SW:























    dimensions Length Width Height
    Aerio 166.5" 67.7" 61.0"
    Focus SW 178.2" 66.9" 53.9"
    Latitude 179.0" 67.0" 62.6"
    (fer cryin out loud, can't figure why this dang thing wants to go all the way here).
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    Look forward to seeing this vehicle in the U.S.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Credit for breaking the news about the Stream coming over under the Latitude banner goes to Ropedart (over in the Honda Element discussion). He mentioned this about a week or two ago. I've been bouncing between the Fit/Jazz thread and the Honda Element thread looking for discusisons on this car.

    I'm glad Revka opened up this thread -- I had e-mailed Steve in the Vans board to get him to de-archive the Honda Stream thread, but I guess he never did.

    As long as we have a place to meet and chat, I'm happy. Thanks for posting that link, Marcb. Topgear magazine from the UK had a great 2-way comparison of the Stream against the Zafira in their Oct 2001 issue. They don't seem to keep it on their site though.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    prefer small efficient vehicles like the Mazda MPV and previous Nissan Axxess. Had an Axxess, currently have an MPV, quite interested with this Latitude and the Jazz, and just look at my flag. Ouch..
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    In regards to the Honda Latitude (neé Stream), I think the US specs will probably be this:

    1. It will have two rows of seating as standard, with the third row as optional (not standard like the European and Japanese market models).

    2. The base engine will probably the same engine used on the 2003 Accord--about 160-165 bhp. Honda may redesign the nose of the Stream for the US-market Latitude so it accommodates the 240 bhp V6 from the 2003 Accord.

    3. The only transmission choice will be the five-speed automatic from the 2003 Accord.

    In short, due to the arrival of the Latitude you are unlikely to see an Accord station wagon for the US market, since the Latitude will take its place.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    I like your ideas, but I can't really see Honda deciding it is worth redesigning the Stream for NA. I'd expect the 2.0 litre version to come (150hp), and I actually think the 7 seat version will be standard. The effort of de-contenting it wouldn't be worth it, and I can't see them marketing it just as a big 5-seat wagon. I agree it will likely be an autobox, but probably 4-speed, to keep the cost down.

    Remember, back in '98 when they had the chance to install 3.0 V6s (as they were doing in Japan and as every magazine was crying for) in the 1st Gen Odys, they didn't bother.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    odman,

    I think Honda may do some changes for the US market, since potentially the US market for Latitude (neé Stream) could end up almost the equivalent of the European and Japanese market combined.

    Given what I've seen of the Stream from the Japanese market model having three rows of seats and only 160 bhp might not be to American tastes (Americans like engines with more low-end torque and I think three rows of seats may compromise legroom on the back two seating rows). This is why I think the Latitude will probably arrive in the US market with only two rows of seats standard and with a drivetrain lifted from the 2003 Accord, including the V6 option.
  • casecom2casecom2 Posts: 72
    ... I'm a Civic owner and generally a Honda fan, but that is an ugly car. Looks like an Insight on steroids. The headlights look a little Buick Rendezvous-ish with the signal lights over the headlights.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    For those of you who are concerned with how a Latitude will fair in an accident, the European NCAP testing group says the Stream does well. It gets 4 stars on Front and Side impact, and 3 stars on pedestrian protection. No other mini-MPV gets ratings as high on both, but a few match on the Front/Side measure, which most people will be more concerned about.


    There's good info on the NCAP methodology on their site. Unlike NHSTA, they do off-set barrier crashes, which are more real-world like.


    http://www.euroncap.com/details.php3?id=car_100_2001

  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Styling is subjective, but I agree with casecom2, the headlights aren't very nice, and do resemble the Rendezvous'.


    For more pictures, click on the 'Photos' button of this site.


    http://www2.netvigator.com/ente/car/newcar/79/newcar_79.html#

  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Hmmm..
    Will the Latitude get the 3rd row seat? Will the Latitude pressure rival Toyota to bring over its Ipsum?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    Why is 160 hp not enough? This vehicle only weighs a couple hundred pounds more than the Accord Sedan which now has 160 hp, but had 150 last year. With 160 hp the latitude would actually have the same power to weight ratio as the 215 hp v-6 Odyssey. Remember just 3 or 4 years ago the giamongous Suburban only had 200 hp.

    Are people planning on drag racing this thing?

    My Oasis (first gen Ody) has 140 hp and it has no problem keeping up with traffic. We can set the cruise at 85 and go. Yes it has to down shift when going over the rockies with a full load - so what, it can still go the speed limit.

    I just have a hard time getting over this obsession with hp.
  • I checked out a little more information about the 2004 Latitude.

    The Latitude essentially is derived from the same platform that spawned the CR-V. This means the Latitude will use the 2.4-liter L-4 i-VTEC engine now found on the 2002 model year CR-V, meaning 165 bhp and much more low-end torque than the 2.0-liter i-VTEC engine found on JDM and European-market Streams. At least the Latitude won't be a dog-slow car that I worried about had Honda chosen to import it earlier.
  • artek09artek09 Posts: 3
    Been eyeing the Stream for some time now, glad to know it would hit our shores soon.

    Here are some safety specs.

    http://www.osa.go.jp/anzen/html2002e/as130.html
  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    Yes the Stream is ugly. But its 2 years old already and that is ancient by Honda standards. I am sure the Honda Design centers in LA and Ohio have worked it over for NA. Right you guys??

    We may see the Latitude in Japan in January 2003. The purpose and design is debatable. In Japan it will compete against SCION. Here in NA to compete with SCION or provide a microvan. I am not sure.
  • zspdr94zspdr94 Posts: 2
    Actually, I was the first to report the news of the Civic Stream coming to the US next year back in early June over on The Car Connection future vehicle message board and at CheersandGears. I've always gotten a kick out of seeing the news I broke over at TCC winding up all over the internet and sometimes even magazines with others taking credit and getting changed along the way too.

    AH-HA
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Just curious, where you get your information regarding the Stream/Latitude? Also, any more news you have to share with us would be appreciated. Thanks for your participation. ;-)

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  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    What took you so long? It was rumoured you moved here after the TCC forum was turning into a mess. The net is really a small world.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    Hi AH-HA:

    I used to enjoy reading your posts over at TCC until that site was ruined by a bunch of ingnorant morons.

    Since you seem to be more in the know, can you tell us whether GM plans to bring its Opel Zafira over here? It would target the same sort of people as the Stream.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    I'm all for more power if we can get it, and your arguement for the 2.4 from the CR-V/Element makes sense. I'm not a technical expert, but do you know if the engines are dimensionally similar? Is it a straighforward replacement for the 1.7/2.0?
  • stragerstrager Posts: 308
    Having checked out the Stream in person while visiting Japan, I think Honda would be making a mistake by selling it in the U.S. as a cramped 7 seater.

    I believe the Latitude will be a 5 seater, to compete with the likes of the Matrix and PT Cruiser, and may include a few styling tweaks to the Stream. It will come with the 2 liter engine on the Stream that makes 154 HP. The Latitude will not be for customers thirsty for horsepower, it's really for people who want a fun Civic class sport wagon.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    I think they should bring the 7-seater over and market it the same way it and the Zafira are marketed in Europe -- mainly as 5-seater vehicles with the option for 2 occassional use seats that never have to be taken in or out of the vehicle.

    In Europe, if you truly need a 7-seater, you get an Espace, a Sharan, or even a Chrysler Voyager. The Stream, et al, fit the void between a station wagon and these bigger minivans. Even though Renault launched the monocab segment in Europe with its innovative Scenic, the Zafira caught Renault by surprise, and no doubt they are frantically working to squeeze an extra pair of seats into the next Scenic.

    I don't think the extra pair of seats will hurt the Latitude. In fact, without them, there's really not much reason for buying a Latitude rather than a 2WD CR-V or an Element, or even a Matrix/Vibe, PT, or ZX5. With 7-seats, they can market it as being the ultimate in personal transportation flexibility without the bulk and stigma of being a minivan.
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