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Acura TSX

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  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I do not know as I do not have it nor do i want it. Prefer manual transmission with clutch and shifting. I would advise you to try it. IMO the 6 speed transmission can not be beat.
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    It works well, but it's not a very good substitute for driving a stick. I mostly use it for engine braking on a few long hills in the area.
  • see my manual skills are well... I don't have any. :cry: . But a manual isn't the best choice of transmissions for where i live. So i guess an automanual would be practical for me. I'd love to learn but my mom just sold her 5 speed sportage for an automatic miata. No one else in my family (that i know of) has a manual to teach me.

    -Cj :blush:
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,565
    Where do you live? Get a stick and teach yourself how to drive it. Go out with your mom a few times and let her show you.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    The details should be out in a few weeks. The Sport Concept (the future TSX) will be making the car show circuit again over the winter. It is assumed that the TSX will be all new for MY08.
  • See, I've been reading mixed info on this. I thought all along it was all new for MY '08, but lately I've been hearing it won't be until MY '09.

    TOV still has it matrixed as MY '08 AFAIK, so that's what I'm going with. If that's the case, we should see an all new car next fall.
  • Miami, Fl. I'd love 2 but we have no manual car anymore. I wasn't paying attention when she did the whole clutch thing but i always knew when to shift, not how to shift :( .

    I did manage to get if from the sidewalk to the gate however. It only cut off once. :blush: :D

    -Cj :)
  • perhaps an all new car confirmation.

    I hope honda brings over its CTDI diesel engine as it gets almost 40mpg highway and has ALOT of torque! Heck, do that for the current model!! Thats a gaurrented way to boost sales!!

    ~*~*~HAPPY HOLIDAYS~*~*~
    -Cj :blush:
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    The 2.2l iCDTi engine will be offered - it's just a matter of when. I have a feeling Honda will milk all the sales from the new model with just one drivetrain for MY 08 and then add the diesel option for MY09.
  • HERES FOR A 2008 CTD-I TSX!!

    Honda already has the technology ready too!

    -Cj
  • I'm 6'5" and live a long way from the nearest Acura dealer. Can some of you tall drivers give me feedback on this. Thanks.
  • I am 6'1", with long legs. I have no problem in the TSX, and do not even push the seat all the way back. I could not even get into a Honda 2000, as an example.
  • Foes anyone here agree/disagree with the tsx getting the 2.3l turbo in the RDX?

    Pros:
    *With the TSX relatively low curb weight, the turbo engine should have 260hp and 245lb ft of torque.
    *The TSX would be better up there with the IS350, BMW 335i, ect
    *Better handling by more even weight distribution: The RDX has a 57/43 weight distribution and the current TSX has a 61/39 split

    Possible SH-AWD
    Cons:
    *Questionable Fuel Economy
    *Possible SH-AWD. Everything with SH-AWD weighs over 4klbs
    *Lags behind is350,335i,ect

    Unchanged:
    *Still Must rev the Tsx to access that power
    *Priemum fuel

    Or an optional v6 engine, Either the 3.2 form TL or 3.0 from accord

    Pros:
    *Can get great MPG
    *Low end torque
    *Can run on regular gas

    Cons:
    *Steal TL, Rl and Accord v6 sales
    *Would weigh more
    *Possible torque steer(LSD or SH-AWD could fix)
    *Still not their with is350,335i, ect
    -Cj
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Adding the 2.3 Turbo to the TSX would change the entire character of the car. It would have a lower redline and make more power down low. Sounds like the TL to me.

    Adding SH-AWD to the TSX would add more weight. It would turn -in more slowly and need larger tires and brakes. Sounds like the TL to me.

    Optional V6 makes no sense - the TL already has that too.

    What the next TSX needs to be is an S2000 with a back seat and luxury touches. It should have a hot, 2.5L I-4 that revs to 8000 RPM and makes 240hp and 200tq - without forced induction. Leave the manual transmission alone, make the A-Spec suspension standard, and include ultra-high performance tires.

    The TSX does not compete with the IS350 and 335i, and it shouldn't. It should do what it does best - that is, occupy a "tweener ground" between the current entry level luxury/performance sedans (3-series, G35, etc) and the more family oriented performance sedans (Mazda 6, Legacy 2.5GT, etc.)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,565
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Make it more like an S2000 or I'd even settle if they made it like my Prelude ;)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,572
    I could live with the turbo... more power never hurts. But, SH-AWD? No thanks... Have to keep the car light..

    I'm sure with a revised traction control system and some engineering, they could dial the higher torque-steer out of the car..

    TSX-S.. Bring it on!

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  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    A lot of plain Jane shoppers go for the TSX because of its current characteristics - modify it towards the S2000 too much and you might risk alienating many of them. No main stream sedan should have a high revving engine with an 8000RPM redline. You are not going to see 100HP+/l engine in any main stream non FI car. Not only that but you won't get 200ft-lbs of tq out of 2.5L of displacement without FI (even the IS250 with its DI trickery only has 184).

    Yep, Honda has positioned the TSX quite well for the "tweener" position - and it will keep it so.

    Seems to me that Honda is going the Audi route to differentiate Honda form Acura - equip its whole lineup with SH-AWD.
  • I totally agree with you 'fedlawman'. The TSX is already a great car with plenty of power. I'm all for improvements. A normally aspirated 2.5L engine with 220-240HP and 200 foot pounds of Tq would be an improvement (similar fuel economy would be a nice touch!). The TSX is in a very exciting segment.
    "between the current entry level luxury/performance sedans (3-series, G35, etc) and the more family oriented performance sedans (Mazda 6, Legacy 2.5GT, etc.)"
    "

    Let's keep it there! Personally, I don't want an all wheel drive car. If I did, I'd pick up an A4.

    Not that Canada makes up much of a market segment, but I don't really want a car for 50-55k. The reason there are comparisons made between the TSX and other cars that are more expensive (3servies, g35, TL, IS) is because the TSX is the best overall car in the next lower price segment to the mentioned vehicles. I would rather not see a Turbo in the TSX, but if the rumors are true it will be there regardless (big mistake if you ask me). The TSX has the best normally aspirated 4 cylinder engine of any sedan I can think of. More torque....sure, add it. More HP ...add it. Turbo...keep it out. Forced induction for the next TSX...hmmm...I'll be switching to another company for my next vehicle. Holy crap, it might drive like a turbo volvo (insert vomit face).
  • "Plain Jane shoppers". Not sure I agree with that. Most of the folks I see behind the wheel of TL's, G35's, IS's etc... all look "plain jane" to me. The entire sedan segment is dominated by the "plain janers". I see more women driving BMW's in the past 5 years than ever before (some not so plain :P . If the plain janers only knew what these cars can really do. Can't wait to pick up a used BMW 550 driven by someone who uses it to go shopping 3x a week.

    I'll take the next generation TSX with 220Hp and 185tq at with a 8000rpm redline.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    biker4 - You do bring up a good point about not making the TSX too hardcore. I agree that would alienate many of the mainstream TSX customers. Besides, the aftermarket is chock full of companies that are ready to help make the TSX into whatever an owner could want.

    The TSX occupies a unique and difficult segment that is really tough to qualify/quantify. Soften it up too much and you have just another TL. Firm it up too much and you've got an S2000.

    My position is that the TSX must occupy a middle ground. More HP is a must to remain competitive, but not too much that it becomes a slower/lower revving also-ran. More chassis refinement is also a must given the level of competence that the Family segment now enjoys, but not so much that it weighs too much or isolates the driver.

    I liked the comment about the TSX being more of a near-lux, 4 door Prelude - that's kind of how I've always thought of the TSX.

    PS: My BMW 2.5L I-4 FI makes 215hp/170tq at the wheels - with 20 year old technology and no FI. With modern engine management technology, Honda is more than capable of matching this in a mass produced engine.
  • Yes that will make the tsx more fun but if the power remains low, it could see the fate of the RSX with the recent introduction of the Civic SI sedan. Honda is making the next s2000 less "extreme" too.

    Adding the Turbo will have more low down hp and torque and weight shouldn't go up much at all. I also say no on SH-AWD for the TSX. I do however think that with the turbo, the tsx should get a Limited Slip Differential so we'll here no complaints of torque steer.

    Tweeners like the Volvo s40 and saab 9-3? Both offer turbos and the saab has a 250hp one also.

    The turbo in the RDX makes 260lb feet and 240hp. Those numbers are where you want it. But the RDX has sh-awd and weighs more than 4klbs. Everything with sh-awd weights over 4k lbs.

    The current TSX weighs 33,170lbs so if it gets a more powerful engine and weight increases to 3,500 lbs whats the problem?

    Also the tsx now has a 61/39 weight split and the turbo could bring this near the RDX's 57/43.

    To sum it up, a Tsx type S (or even standard model) with a 58/42 weight split, a vtec 2.3l turbo 245hp, 265lb ft of torque, near 7k redline, sport tuned suspension, little turbo lag as the heavier RDX flies from zero to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the quarter-mile in 15.2 seconds at 90.4 mph , and honda reliability doesn't please you?

    Here, read or watch the Acura RDX in action!

    -Cj :)
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    Personally I think the TSX does not need any changes- I love it just the way it is. They should come up with a new model with the turbo and awd and rename it but keep the TSX. the last turbo car we owned was a 1998 eagle talon tsi awd. the tsx is just as good
  • Adding a turbo will not improve the TSX's weight split. The RDX has a 57/43 weight split because of the SH-AWD and it's components in the rear of the car. The addition of a turbo to the TSX would just add more weight to the front of a car.

    Overall, I like the idea of adding a turbo and SH-AWD, but I also like the (relatively) low weight, handling, and sub $30,000 price tag on the current model. All Acura needs to do is cram that turbo in there, add SH-AWD, maintain the driving dynamics, and keep the sticker close to where it is.... easy, right?!?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Dynatsx1 is right, the RDX has better weight distribution because it has a rear differential (along with other AWD components) that add weight to the rear of the car. Adding a turbo would not shift weight to the rear of the TSX.

    My only opposition to the turbo is the lower compression ratio, lower redline, and presumably, slower revving character of the engine. One of the big reasons why the TSX is so much fun is the responsive, rev-happy I-4. I fear a turbo might rob the engine of some of its throttle response.

    Really, they can't add too much power to the TSX. It weighs 300 lbs less than the TL as it is, and I don't think Honda will allow the TSX to be the stoplight king of their lineup.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    You have to look at the market and guesstimate where Honda will aim: MY 08/09 will have 328, IS250/300, A4 2.0, G25, C280, etc. The average of all those in terms of power is in the 230HP range - although the performance varies a bit more. It's unlikely the 08 TSX will have 250HP - it will get there later (via simple turbo boost), but to start, it'll probably aim right for the average.
  • Ok. How else can honda add weight to the rear and delete eeight from the front? Moving the ballasts, full size spare tire but still not enough to make it 50/50. Still, i cant think of anw 50/50 fwd car.

    So the turbo is out? Wouldn't the tsx only gain like 200lbs by adding the RDX's engine? Also, this is mostly for the gen 2 tsx.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,572
    I would think it would gain less than 200 lbs.. unless the suspension really needed some serious beefing up..

    Pretty hard to come close to 50/50 weight distribution on a front-driver, but they can do better.. BMW puts the battery in the trunk, and uses aluminum suspension pieces in the front only..

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  • Nobody knows for sure about the turbo yet. I'd be willing to bet an "S" model will be available with the turbo 4, and then a more civilized base model also.

    Given that Acura has opened the door back up again with the TL-S, maybe they'll be willing to go that route with the TSX, especially given that the biggest beef about the car seems to be its lack of torque/power. I'll bet it gets the SH-AWD, too. $0.02
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    50/50 is easy. Put the battery in the trunk and make it RWD!

    Put my name on the waiting list...
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