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Acura TSX

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  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    It would be nice if someone made a car that was both luxurious, quiet and comfortable to ride in, yet also got very high gas mileage. Most high MPG cars are too "cheap" in materials, ride and appearance.
    RX400h gas mileage is not that great. A 40 mpg TSX would be nice.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    But do you or others you know go slightly out of their way to get gas at Costco, to save less than half that amount?

    Glad you brought that question up....

    Believe it or not...I and many others get different MPG from different grades of gas AND brands.

    For cars optimized for premium, you will find the best mpg when the designated gas type is used. Yes...the TSX will run on regular...but it is likely to get about 1 or 2 mpg less. Honest. Read through this (and the TL) board and you will see.

    As for Costco gas...I used the premium grade in one of my previous cars (Infiniti). Although Costco is about $0.10 less, the mpg is less..all but negating the cash difference.

    Also...I get the best mpg from Chevron and Shell...running under similar driving and road conditions.

    What are others thoughts?
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    It would be nice to have luxury, comfort, etc...and get high gas mileage. As 307web indicated...sure would be great to get a TSX at 40mpg.

    However...this is the issue. The TSX is a 200hp four door sedan that has great utility for the passengers...great fun for the driver....and has a rather sizable trunk. Stack that up and you also get 27mpg mixed driving...and well over 30mpg on the highway. Now to me....the mpg is great for what fun and enjoyment you will receive...while having the ability to purchase a well appointed car for the mid 20k's.

    Now...if you want economy...look at what you will find in Europe and Canada:

    http://www.smart.com
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    A TSX with the 2.2l iCTDi diesel would get about 50MPG. Look for one at a dealer near you in about 2 years. :shades:
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Here is a dilimma with a diesel...
    1) Total ownership cost may be higher as the diesel car costs more at the time of purchase. Save some minimal gas dollars...pay more for the car...not a receipe for success.
    2) Performance will not compare to a gas engine.
    3) Repairs costs may be higher
    4) More difficult to find a diesel dispenser.

    Now...I am not bashing diesel as that may be an alternative. But goes along with what I am saying in the recent posts. People are too focused on marginal incremental costs between fuel types. Save some money on a fuel type but pay more overall costs to own and run the vehicle with less joy.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    A diesel should get more than "minimal" improvement in fuel economy. It may not be cheaper depending on the price premium, but that's not the whole point. I could buy a 5 year old Ford Focus for $5000 and save more money.
    Having a 700 mile cruising range and diesel torque for around town driving would be nice.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Exactly....I could buy a TSX for the mid-20k's...get great performance, cruise long distances in comfort...and get 32mpg on the highway. I'll drink a few less Starbucks to save some money and enjoy the TSX.

    Or as '307web' indicates: I could buy a 5 year old Ford Focus for $5000 and save more money.
  • The knowledgeable, if not conventional, wisdom is that cars that are designed to benefit from premium (i.e. high compression and knock sensors optimized for 91 octane) will run on regular without damage, but at a penalty in performance, and perhaps fuel consumption.

    So let's think about the penalty in gas mileage for a moment. Back in the day (a year ago) when gas was "only" $1.60/gallon for regular, it was $1.80/gal for premium. So your premium-fuel car that got 30 mpg cost you 6 cents a mile in fuel... and the "break-even" point for using regular was about 27 mpg (26.7 to be exact). Fast forward to now, with premium touching $3/gallon... it's 10 cents a mile... and if regular only costs $2.80/gallon, you need to get at least 28 mpg on regular to break even!

    As gas prices spiral upward, the "premium for premium" on a percentage basis goes down, so it makes even less sense to be a cheap-skate than it did before!
  • Although diesel costs more now, who knows about the future. I would trade for the 2.2L diesel in a second. The torque difference will offset the HP loss. In the city, I would prefer torque. It is also amongst the best diesels made anywhere.

    Someone above suggested 2 yrs until Honda brings this engine to North America. Is this scuttlebutt or fact? About that time, I may be looking to trade my 04 tsx. If Honda or Lecus IS doesn't offer their Euro diesels, I would consider a diesel Passat, ugly and all.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    diesel costs more now, who knows about the future

    Exactly....we don't know the future and by the time the future reaches us, there will be other alternatives away from diesel.

    If Honda or Lecus IS doesn't offer their Euro diesels, I would consider a diesel Passat, ugly and all.

    I don't drive ugly cars. I don't buy just for a mode of transportation. It is like saying I will buy ugly clothes because it is more economical. Nah...
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    "As gas prices spiral upward, the "premium for premium" on a percentage basis goes down, so it makes even less sense to be a cheap-skate than it did before!"

    While this is true, the stations in my area have started upping the "premium for premium". It used to .20 over regular. Then Shell upped it to .22 a few months ago and now everyone but Arco seems to be charging .21 or .22 more. Percentage wise, that increase doesn't keep up with the total increase in the cost of gas, but it is happening. :mad:
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    "Percentage wise, that increase doesn't keep up with the total increase in the cost of gas, but it is happening."

    Let me run the math:

    $0.20 / $2.00 gal = 10.00%

    $0.22 / $3.00 gal = 7.33%

    Sure does appear that the incremental cost is declining as a percentage.
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    That's what I was saying. :confuse:
  • The Official Honda 2006 TSX Release Website. No pricing of course but lots of of pics. I like the refresh alot. I'm iffy on the part of the bumper around the fogs but the side sills look great! :P

    http://www.hondanews.com/CatID3039
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Thanks for the notification of the images....and here is my take (my opinions):

    I really don't like the 2006 exterior refresh. The side sills are much more pronounced...but it just doesn't flow well on the TSX. The sills don't 'flow' into flared fenders like on the TL. Just lacks flow with the rest of the side.

    The TSX side is like the BMW 3series..where it is slabbed sided...flush. Then it introduces a sill that looks like an aftermarket add-on. And if you look at the BMW 3...it doesn't have sill flairs. In addition...the TSX sills to me appear to disturb the natural lines.

    The front bumper...hmmm...not. It looks too busy near the fog lamps and takes too much attention away from the angular grill. The lower air intake is way too big and wide...and takes away from the shape of the front. The angular grill is one of the most attractive parts of the car...remininscent of an Alfa R.

    I also don't care much for the new rims either. Looks like nine spokes...kinda Pontiac-ish.

    Any case...my personal opinion. Perhaps my expectation prior to viewing these pictures were set higher.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    I believe all or almost all the changes listed here a while ago have come to fruition.

    While I don't think the new styling is that much more distinctive or attractive (totally subjective), I like the overall changes. A bit more power never hurts. The Bluetooth and AUX port and more up-to-date navi are nice. Memory driver's seat, etc. I do like how the side sills look, actually. Integrated fog lights are also nice to have. Extending the powertrain warranty to 70k miles (and 6 years for low-mileage drivers) is a plus too.

    So, I'm happy with the changes. As long as the price increase isn't large!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,650
    6yr/70K on the powertrain now... nice...

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  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    What's bad is, the gas mileage is roughly the same as the much larger 280 HP Toyota Avalon.
  • rko2rko2 Posts: 40
    I like some of the additional features, but I really don't like the exterior changes. Does the front look like a Toyota Solera front to any one else? The front end is now missing the broad and sleek/elegant/powerfull style. I just looks a little cheaper. Maybe I'm alone on this one.

    If I didn't have one already and I was looking to get a 2005 or a 2006, I would run out and get a 2005 tomorrow before other people see the new look and 2005s disappear.
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