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2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Refreshening

boredbored Posts: 300
edited March 23 in Jeep
The Grand Cherokee will be refreshed for the 2004 Model Year. It is supposed to have all new sheetmetal, new Interior design, and a new "Sport" version, which uses the New 5.7 Liter Hemi (Mated to a 6-Speed Manual, with All Wheel Drive), is supposed to be capable of stomping ANY vehicle on the road. The 4.0L PowerTech Engine, may be scrapped as the base powerplant, and the 3.7 PowerTech engine will replace it. And for now, it's keeping its solid axles............

http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b080102.htm
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  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    The I6 WILL be replaced by the 3.7L V6. It will still offer the non-HO 4.7L V8. We'll see if the 5.7L Hemi V8 makes it into the 04 model. That would be cool.
  • Will the I6 be an option. I have one in my 98 jgc 4x4 and although not the most powerful engine i have ever had its been the most reliable. When I purchase a new JGC i will be looking for the I6. If this is not an option I better purchase before it is discontinued.
  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    Like I mentioned above, the I6 will be replaced by the 3.7L V6 currently being used in the Liberty. That's what's been reported... whether or not that happens in 03, I don't know. It will definitely be in the 04's. I'd check with a dealer on this... what's left of the 02's may be your only opportunity to get an I6.
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Jeep's new marketing slogan is now "Rescue Ready" instead of "Rubicon Ready". I think it's pathetic.

    More news on the '04 JGC later......
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    I don't know. I guess you can rescue someone from getting stuck in the snow or something..........................
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    Well, the Cherokee has long had the reputation of being one of the models great off-road -- putting the "U" back into SUV. Maybe they're trying to capitalize on that aspect of the vehicle, playing to those who would respond to that image?

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  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Well, the '04 Will still have the Solid Axles, and will be truly Jeep, with the exception for the 3.7L V6.


    The 2005 Model Is all new. "Off-road enthusiast will be disappointed to hear that the WK has an independent front suspension that is quite similar to what is used on the Liberty(KJ). In-fact the WK platform is an evolution of the one developed for the KJ."


    http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b080702.htm

  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    Had my 02 in for maintenance today and was talking to the new car manager. He confirmed that the JGC is moving away from "Rubicon Ready" as Bored stated above.

    They are going to incorporate more of Daimler's drivetrain components and the IFS. The focus will be on "ride quality"... which is really going to PO the purists. Guess you either buy now (knowing what they are) or wait and see what Daimler throws into the mix.
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    I hope Daimler doesn't expect a sales Increase when they throw in the Liberty's IFS. Now, on some SUV's, offroading with an IFS is good, because some manufacturer's make a good IFS, and DC is not one of them. Toyota makes a good one on their 4Runner, Kia makes a good one on the Sportage and Sorento (They are both based off of a military vehicle, it better be good) Suzuki, among other manufacturers. Maybe DC needs to step into their design studio's and learn a thing or two. People buy Jeeps because they know that they can go anywhere, not that they can just get up and go in the snow.
  • Went to the engineers roundtable on the Grand and several engineers were very interested in peoples thoughts on removing the 4 Low. After discussion I had overheard one engineer talking that removing the 4low was a possibility in a redesign as most people dont use this feature. Also stated that cigaret lighter would be removed in the 03's. I asked about when a redesign could be expected was told they could not discuss this with me.
  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    They can't spill any deep, dark secrets like that! :o)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    The Hummer H-1 has IFS and IRS. The Hummer H-2 has IFS. I don't think anyone would call these sissy vehicles because of their IFS.

    The Pathfinder, Xterra, 4Runner, Land Cruiser all have IFS. The new Range Rover has both IFS and IRS. All these vehicles are excellent off road. There's no reason to believe that an IFS-equipped Grand Cherokee—if engineered properly—will be not be equally as good off road.

    Bob
  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    Well, not to start an argument on the subject, but there are some serious Jeep purists on another forum that are SERIOUSLY upset about the idea of the JGC (or any Jeep) going to IFS. They definitely will argue that point with you. Don't ask them what they think of the Liberty either!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    I'm well aware of what "Jeepers" think of IFS and the Liberty. I've been arguing with these folks for years...

    Fact of the matter is, there are plenty of very good off-road vehicles out there with IFS, despite everything the hard-core Jeepers think and/or say.

    Oops! I forgot to list the new Montero with both IFS and IRS, as well as the Montero Sport, Isuzu Trooper and Rodeo—all excellent off-roaders. And from all early reports I've seen, it sounds like the new VW Touareg (and to a lesser degree, the Porsche Cayanne), with IFS and IRS, will also be real off-road players too.

    Bob
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    The Liberty's IFS just plain sucks.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    lacks ground clearance that is needed for serious off-roading, whereas the others I've mentioned, that's not a problem. This has been further exasperated by Jeep recently lowering the Liberty even further.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    the Toyota 4Runner is among the best in terms of (front) ground clearance of all the IFS-equipped SUVs. That's perhaps due in part to the much larger 265/70x16 tires that it come with. If the Liberty had tires that size, I don't think ground clearance would be such an issue.

    Bob
  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    I'm salivating already! :o)
  • I just joined this message board, can you tell what the other site was that posted the news and info on the GC '04's. I'm trying to decide whether to put $2k worth of maintenance into my '96 with 100K miles and wait for the '04's or to bit the bullet and buy a '03. Thanks for the help.
  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    I'd definitely wait to see what the '04 offers before you splurge, detailed info should be available in the next couple of months or thereabout. The 2003s added some very minor ride enhancements, but took away much more in the continuing "decontenting" trend. It appears the 2004 will have a lot more to offer.

    The website you are asking about I believe is http://www.wjjeeps.com
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Pretty much confirms what I said earlier.
  • Went to the website and found it helpful. Are there any pictures of the GC '04 out yet?
  • kkuligkkulig Posts: 150
    Nope... haven't seen any yet, and I've been looking!
  • Does any really on a regular basis take a JGC off road, I mean rock climbing, stream fording stuff? Yeah its nice to be able to do it, but half of them have leather, and they all have electric windows. I have a 2000, and I like more that I can do it if I want, and that no matter the snow storm, rain shower, or bad weather, I am going to get there without white knuckling it. I think Jeep has to keep this brand identity, but they have to find the balance between cost and the price that people are willing ot pay, otherwise we could lose the brand. If nothing else preserve the high functionality for the people who will really use it an pay for it.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    I read the article at the link you posted.. Where does it say any Jeep is going to share a platform with either Escalade or H2? DC and GM (Escalade) would probably NOT cooperate on a vehicle, IMHO anyway.

    The article does say it will be 'fully off-road capable"
  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Sorry about that...


    Good News! The new JGC is supposed to be fully off-road capable! It will also compete with the likes of the Escalade, H2, and Navigator, for about 10k less.


    http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b112702.htm


    I fixed it.

  • boredbored Posts: 300
    The 2004 GC will just be a refresh. New dash, new exterior body panels.

    NOW, there's Quadra Trac I, a single speed transfer case for "Simplicity". This is NOT DC's fault, there was a Quadra Trac I Transfer case on the Wagoneer back in the 70s.
  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    "The 2004 GC will just be a refresh. New dash, new exterior body panels."

    For 2004 there is nothing new with the dash - only the standard trim pieces that sometimes change colors year to year will be a different, and not on all models. There are no exterior body panel changes, other than the front fascia and grille. One model, the "Freedom Edition" will have tubular rock rails. Pretty lame "refresh" if you ask me.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Give me the 5.7 Hemi, when my current lease ends I might just come back to Jeep.
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