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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,910

    @bhill2 said: Keep in mind that the Galaxy hardtop sedan was pretty far up Ford's food chain. I spec'ed one out from the relevant Standard Catalog and came up with $3190 for one with the smallest V-8, Cruise-o-matic, heater (yes, it was optional), power steering and brakes, and nothing else. There are about 100 other options you might want (larger engine, radio, power seat, etc) that could easily make up the difference.

    Yeah, that's just it...you start adding up enough options, and those prices jack up pretty quickly. I think my '57 DeSoto Firedome hardtop coupe had a base price of $3085. I spec'ed it out once using one of those American Standard catalogs, and by the time you threw in power steering/brakes, 3-speed automatic, heater, AM radio, whitewalls, two tone paint, etc, I got it up to around $3800. There's a '61 DeSoto 4-door hardtop that I see from time to time at local car shows that MSRP'ed for a whopping $5,000 when it was new! That's Cadillac territory! I think its base price was $3167, but you still had to add on the automatic transmission, power steering/brakes, most likely a heater as well, plus this one was pretty luxurious, with air conditioning power windows/locks, and I think a power seat as well.

  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,338

    @andre1969 said: Yeah, that's just it...you start adding up enough options, and those prices jack up pretty quickly. I think my '57 DeSoto Firedome hardtop coupe had a base price of $3085. I spec'ed it out once using one of those American Standard catalogs, and by the time you threw in power steering/brakes, 3-speed automatic, heater, AM radio, whitewalls, two tone paint, etc, I got it up to around $3800. There's a '61 DeSoto 4-door hardtop that I see from time to time at local car shows that MSRP'ed for a whopping $5,000 when it was new! That's Cadillac territory! I think its base price was $3167, but you still had to add on the automatic transmission, power steering/brakes, most likely a heater as well, plus this one was pretty luxurious, with air conditioning power windows/locks, and I think a power seat as well.

    You ain't kidding. Back in the '50s and '60s, at least for the 'low-priced three', the base price did not even include a heater and had manual steering and brakes. In some of the lower trim levels you had to pay extra for armrests and a right-side sun visor. It was kind of a game to allow them to advertise a lower price, since they sold very few cars without these options (a few with manual brakes, or even steering, but not many since these cars were awful without them.

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,154

    Spotted a bluish silver Mercedes 190D at Levick and Tabor in NE Philly. The car looked to be in pretty decent shape.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593

    Fintail 190D or 80s W201 190D?

    Today I saw a red Karmann Ghia, a pristine looking ~91 Cutlass Supreme sedan, and a very well kept looking 92-95 or so Bonneville.

    @lemko said: Spotted a bluish silver Mercedes 190D at Levick and Tabor in NE Philly. The car looked to be in pretty decent shape.

  • berriberri Posts: 4,159

    base price did not even include a heater and had manual steering and brakes. In some of the lower trim levels you had to pay extra for armrests and a right-side sun visor

    I learned to drive on a basically stripped 3 on the tree 60 Ford. But as basic was that car was, a neighbor had a 58 Chevy Delray which was pretty much as you described. Made the old Fairlane seem loaded B)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593

    Just saw a Vanagon style VW double cab pickup - from Canuckistan, I bet.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    Regarding the earlier posts about pricing in the early sixties--I think car prices didn't go up a whole lot between the early-and-mid-sixties, until around 1970 or 1971. Then, throughout the '70's, the prices jumped like mad from year-to-year. I always remember your basic two-door hardtop Impala V8 with automatic, ps, pb, whitewalls, wheelcovers, AM radio, stickered for around $3,600 for several years when I was looking at them. That started changing with the '71 model year, and it really became crazy in the mid-and-late seventies.

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,910

    I think prices even came down for awhile in the early 60's, although it wouldn't last forever. In 1957, for example, a New Yorker 4-door sedan base priced at $4,173. By 1959 it was up to $4,424. Trimmed a bit to $4,409 for 1960. Then there was a noticeable cut in 1961, to $4,123. The '63 was down to $3,981. It wouldn't get back above 1957 levels until 1967, when the price hit $4208.

    To use a GM example, a '57 Sedan DeVille started at $5,256, while a '67 was $5,581. A small boost in price, but not too huge.

    And yeah, I think it was the early 70's when prices really started jacking up. My maternal grandparents' '72 Impala 4-door hardtop was about $5,000. About the only thing it had over those '57/59 Fords and '63 Mercury that my paternal Grandparents had was air conditioning. Oh, and it probably had an AM/FM radio rather than just AM.

    But then, by 1975, Mom bought a '75 LeMans coupe for $5K, and my grandparents (Dad's side) bought a Dart Swinger, also for $5,000. And both with a/c. So in just 3 short years, the money that would have gotten you a full-sized car was only good for a compact or intermediate.

    In 1980, Mom bought a new Malibu coupe, for about $7,000 out the door. It was equipped about the same as the LeMans had been, with one exception...a 229 V-6 versus a 350 V-8.

    As for that '72 Impala? It gave way to an '82 Malibu Classic Estate wagon that, if memory serves me right, cost something like $11,000. That was when my grandparents first truly discovered sticker shock. But at least it prepared them for their $16,000 LeSabre in 1985!

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,043

    '72 Lincoln Coupe (not Town) was around $8600..

    Same car in '76 about $10K

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,154

    Just saw this one last night on TV. It's the road rage scene from Marathon Man: Fintail vs. 1970 Chevrolet Impala

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    I remember seeing that movie in my beautiful little hometown theater...now gone, of course. Thanks for posting.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,091

    @re movie

    That blue Fintail looks familiar from somewhere.... Where have I seen something similar before? Hmmm?

    The Fintail sure didn't stand much bumping--that trunk like plumped up like a Pillsburg buscuit.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    We think of road rage as something from only the last ten or fifteen years, and I think this movie is from '73 or so IIRC (too lazy to check).

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,295

    @uplanderguy said: We think of road rage as something from only the last ten or fifteen years, and I think this movie is from '73 or so IIRC (too lazy to check).

    We think lots of stuff is recent. We just didn't hear about stuff before the internet!

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,091

    @stickguy said: @uplanderguy said: We think of road rage as something from only the last ten or fifteen years, and I think this movie is from '73 or so IIRC (too lazy to check).

    Road rage has been around a long time. I recall driving through Kentucky on I75 at peak travel times for holiday traffic. You should have seen all the angry folks from Up North (and some with FL plates) who felt traffic wasn't going fast enough in "their" lane, the left one. There were only two lanes through almost all of KY at that time. I've actually seen folks pass on the left and the right berms after tailgating and honking their lights and flashing their horns at drivers daring to go only 10 over the speed limit.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593

    Saw a couple of squarebirds languishing in a field in an agricultural-industrial area south of Seattle.

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,910

    @lemko said: Just saw this one last night on TV. It's the road rage scene from Marathon Man: Fintail vs. 1970 Chevrolet Impala

    Not to be too nitpicky, but ya gotta love how the drivers both notice the oil truck at 3:29, and slam into it around 3:35, giving them a good six seconds to stop. But they both just open their mouths and gasp, and pretty much go full-force into it. And, somehow I don't think home heating oil is quite that volatile. Unless you attach a model rocket launcher to it. Maybe Dateline NBC's pyrotechnics crew learned something from this scene?

    Kinda sad seeing that Fintail and the Impala bite the dust, but at the time they were just a couple of old cars. Also, if you pause it just as the Fintail slams into the trunk, you can see just how well the crumple zone worked on that car.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593
    edited January 20

    Ha, I missed your post - still haven't mastered the new system I guess.

    Great scene, and it really does show the crumple zone at work. I even commented on that video ages ago. Hard to tell the identity of the fintail, but it is likely a pre-1963 220S or SE, wearing an incomplete rear bumper.

    Funny to see the old Nazi insulting the Chevrolet, too.

    Just saw a white 77-78 Toronado on the road, and the same powder blue 65 Mustang fastback I see now and then.

    @lemko said: Just saw this one last night on TV. It's the road rage scene from Marathon Man: Fintail vs. 1970 Chevrolet Impala

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,910

    On the subject of old cars in movies, yesterday I watched the old gem "Day of the Triffids", and there was one of those French Pastry Citroens in it.

    One thing that struck me as a bit odd though, is that it had two bands on the radio dial, which I would presume would be AM/FM? Unless the French had some other band? I'd imagine AM/FM would be pretty rare for a c1962 car?

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,539

    I thought some European radios also had a shortwave band...

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    I know Studebakers first got AM/FM radios midway through the '63 model year.

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,154

    Spotted an oddball today - an orange Volkswagen Corrado on Street Road north of Philly. The car appeared to be in pretty nice shape. These cars made a brief appearance a little over 20 years ago then vanished.

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,539

    A Corrado with the VR6 would be a fun car. With the I4 "G-Lader" supercharger, not so much...

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,615

    @andre1969 said: On the subject of old cars in movies, yesterday I watched the old gem "Day of the Triffids", and there was one of those French Pastry Citroens in it.

    One thing that struck me as a bit odd though, is that it had two bands on the radio dial, which I would presume would be AM/FM? Unless the French had some other band? I'd imagine AM/FM would be pretty rare for a c1962 car?

    Blaupunkt offered car radios with FM in 1952.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593
    edited January 20

    Yeah, shortwave was sometimes seen in higher end radios. I've seen old MBs with it,too.

    That car reminds me of a crazy random street scene I happened upon years ago, the kind of thing probably only seen on the west coast. A fintail driving down a street with a Citroen wagon, GTO, and VW 411/412. No, the pic wasn't taken in 1974 either, it was well into this century:

    @andre1969 said: On the subject of old cars in movies, yesterday I watched the old gem "Day of the Triffids", and there was one of those French Pastry Citroens in it.

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,910
    edited January 20

    That's a really cool pic...especially looking out over the hood of your Fintail! I have some old N-gauge model trains and accessories packed away, and among the stuff is a couple of scale VW 411/412's.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,295

    I took my drivers test on my grandmothers 412 wagon. Evil, evil car. Just awful.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,593

    I think the view from inside period MBs won people over - there is something about it. For not a huge car, it has presence, behind the wheel, too.

    Some of those old N scale things might have a little value. Here's an N scale set with some 411/412s

    @andre1969 said: That's a really cool pic...especially looking out over the hood of your Fintail! I have some old N-gauge model trains and accessories packed away, and among the stuff is a couple of scale VW 411/412's.

  • berriberri Posts: 4,159

    I always liked that gen Citroen, sedan or wagon. When I was a kid we had a chemist who rented a home down the street from ours while his new one was being built somewhere. He had that version sedan and gave me a ride in it one day. Two things caught me back then; how smoothly it rode and how modern the interior seemed for it's day.

    I think I started seeing N gauge model trains around high school. Back then model railroading was actually pretty popular and there were some neat basement layouts around us. It's funny, because a few years earlier HO started taking over from O gauge and people were complaining how small HO models were - but N made HO look kind of big.

    The other big things kids liked to do back in those days were model cars and airplanes, putting together radios and building sets like Girder and Panel or American Plastic Bricks. You guys are making me feel like I'm a kid again - Love It :D

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,194
    edited January 21

    I had a Girder and Panel - didn't remember the name until your post. After playing with it for at least a year, I discovered the "big" pegboard base hiding under the cardboard on the bottom. Lincoln Logs were more fun though. Funny, I'd never want to actually live in a log house now although a skyscraper apartment might be fun. Driving a Lincoln would be okay though. ;)

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