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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    edited December 2012
    Chevy ads tended to be more aggressive I think as the 50s progressed, and by the early 60s they really wanted people to think about HORSEPOWER:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    My understanding was that the Cleveland was more of a "medium block", and could go to larger displacements than the Windsor. If the Windsor started off as a 221, I'd imagine that by the time you got to a 351, it was pushing its limit.

    The Cleveland probably let Ford get to larger displacements, such as the 400, without using a heavier big-block to do so.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Yeah, I don't think there would be much of a future for a '13 hemi Ram La Femme. It would be a big draw at the 2038 Carlisle Mopar show, though.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Interesting how the LaFemme stresses driving comfort and pleasure. I wonder what they mean by "pleasure." Why not tire shredding acceleration and ruggedness?

    I'll bet there was little, if any, female input in that La Femme ad.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    I believe the LaFemme actually came with a pink umbrella!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    edited December 2012
    Interesting how the LaFemme stresses driving comfort and pleasure. I wonder what they mean by "pleasure." Why not tire shredding acceleration and ruggedness?

    I think in those days of one car households, it was common for the husband to buy the car, but the wife would choose the colors? So maybe they thought the LaFemme would be appealing on that level? Still, more than likely the husband was going to be the one who drove the car most of the time, so they could only push it so far.

    Even though Dodge had the 193 hp "power pak" option, I don't think people were thinking of Dodge as a performance brand just yet. That would change a bit for 1956, with the 260 hp D-500 engine option. There was also a 285 hp version, but I believe it was intended mainly for racing.

    For 1957, the D-500 came as a 325 with choice of 285 or 310 hp. There was also a rare D-501 that had a Chrysler 354 Hemi with 340 hp. That must have been a screamer, in that light Dodge body.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    You're not going to shred any tires in a '55 LaFemme---this was a small Red Ram I believe coupled to an automatic and a pretty heavy car---maybe if they made one with a 3-speed column shift, you could slip a little rubber in 1st gear. I owned a '55 Royal Lancer 2D HT---really liked that car but it wasn't very fast off the line--pretty good on the highway, though.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    In '55 I think Dodge started following in Chrysler's footsteps and began relying less on Hemi-head engines. I think the Royal came standard with a poly-head 270 V-8, which was optional on the Coronet, while the Custom Royal had the Hemi-head 270.

    I forget the hp differences, but the "power-pak" option for the Hemi boosted hp to 193.

    When you think about it, even that's not a lot of hp. Probably translates to about 140 hp net, in an engine of not much more displacement than those undersized slugs GM was making in the dark ages (260, 265, 267). And the car probably weighed about 3500 lb, and just had a 2-speed automatic.

    It probably used a short axle ratio, something like a 3.54:1, so it might actually lurch just enough to throw you back in your seat for a moment and make you *think* you're going to take off fast.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw an '84 or so Caprice estate, pretty mint for its age, this morning. Like an 80s time capsule.

    We had the Olds version, a Custom Cruiser, when I was in high school.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,664
    I'm pretty sure the 3800 is based off a SBC, not a Buick engine.
    3/4's of a 5.0 is 3.8 and 3/4's of a 5.7 is a 4.3.
    Maybe only the 4.3 is based on the chevy block.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,559
    edited December 2012
    Nope. There is a Vortec V6 based on the Chevy SB, but not the Buick.
    Here an article about the original Buick V6, only mentions the Buick V8, not the SBC.

    Here's the wiki article including both the original and the 3800 which developed from it.

    It's true that the 3800 was a MAJOR redesign of the Buick V6, but they didn't start with the SBC.

    And it didn't look like 3/4 of a SBC:
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    Finally, the SBC had 4.4" bore spacing, the Buick V6 and 3800 had 4.24".
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,664
    One of my BIL's has a supercharged Buick. I'll have him open the hood next time I see the car.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    There was a Chevy 3.8, but it was the 229. A 305 with two cylinders lopped off, and offered from 1980-84. It had 115 hp the first year, 110 in the following. It wasn't very torquey for its size, something like 170-175 ft-lb?

    The 4.3 (262) was a 350 (5.7) minus two cylinders. And to complete the set, there was a smaller 200 CID (3.3) V-6 offered in 1978-79 and a 267 (CID) V-8 version offered from 1979-82.

    The reason the Buick 3.8 doesn't directly correlate to exactly 3/4 of a V-8 version is because the engines evolved differently over the years. First came the 215 aluminum V-8 for 1961, then the 198 iron-block V-6 for 1962. In 1964, there were replaced by a 225 V-6 and a 300 V-8, both with iron blocks.

    At some point, there was a 340 CID enlargement of the V-8, and in 1968, the V-8 went to 350 CID, and the V-6 tooling was sold to Jeep. What little demand there was for a 6-cyl Buick was satisfied using the Chevy 250-inline 6.

    At some point in the 1970's, GM bought the tooling back from Jeep, but to save costs, they bored it out a bit so that it could use the same pistons as a Buick 350 V-8. So, it had the stroke of the old 300 V-8, but the bore of the newer 350. GM started using it in their 1975 cars, and for the most part it was a crap-fest. The turbo version, which came out around 1978, had a stronger block at least. And for 1985, both the turbo and non-turbo block were redesigned, and strengthened, and almost immediately, it went from being one of GM's crappiest engines to one of its best.

    There were several different versions of the 3.8. In 1978-79 there was a 3.2/196 CID version that was used in the Buick Century, although I think the REgal had the 3.8 standard. From 1980-84 there was a 4.1/252 CID version that was used mainly in full-sized cars, but it went in some intermediates. And starting in 1982, I believe, there was a 3.0/181 CID version that was used in FWD cars like the Century. I think it was dropped after 1985, but not positive.

    Oh, and Oldsmobile had a V-6 version of their Olds 350 Diesel, which came out to 4.3 liters.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Excellent recap!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,679
    Saw a 560SL and a DeLorean today.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,679
    Saw a Peugeot 505 wagon doing pizza delivery duty. No doubt driven by the local guy who I have also seen driving a 505 sedan for the same job.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,434
    a 75ish Camaro running around at the mall. Pretty rust in the back, but front looked OK.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Spotted a unicorn.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Very nice 85ish Audi 5000 in a metallic brown. Looked showroom new.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Nice looking car in its day, but mechanicals lagged behind the styling, and not so good.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Beautiful car in its day. Ah, if only the Audi 5000 had Honda Accord reliability, and more reasonably priced parts and components. If only...my grandmother had a moustache she would have be my grandfather.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,434
    :P

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    spotted, of all places, parked on the street in NW DC. I was bike riding with a friend, noticed it out of the corner of my eye, and went over to look at it. Hollered at my friend who was ahead of me that I saw a car I wanted to check out.

    It was a deep, deep blue, and looked showroom new. So obviously, it doesn't live on the street! My friend, who knows absolutely nothing about cars, was impressed by it, and could tell that it was something special. I guess that's one true test that a car has held up over the years, when even someone who's not into cars is impressed by it.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I love those. I would have been stunned to see one parked in DC. It's not like they aren't pretty valuble.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I absolutely love those cars. Long hood, short deck, understated styling, no skirts, minimal trim...just gorgeous.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,617
    It's not like they aren't pretty valuble.

    Asking prices are around $40K in Hemmings.

    I'll bet you see lots of $40K cars parked in DC.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I'll bet you see lots of $40K cars parked in DC.

    I'm sure you see many 100K cars too, but a valuable classic on the streets of DC is a rare sight I'm sure.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,951
    Yeah, normally the "classics" you see on the streets of DC are more akin to this!
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