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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited December 2012
    This is absolute sacrilege to a lot of people I bet, but I much prefer the '62 Corvette. I don't like the split window and all the fake scoops on the '63, nor the belt-high crease that runs entirely around the car, nor the looks of the hideaway headlights when "up". Opening myself to ridicule here, I'd much rather have a turquoise '64 Avanti, supercharged with the front fender emblems, and turquoise 'thick seat' interior. I particularly like the looks of the car from the rear 3/4 view--biggest back window in the industry. I know it doesn't bring what a '63 'Vette does, but I don't care.

    http://bez-auto-alchemy.blogspot.com/2012_01_01_archive.html

    Here's a '62 'Vette I just love--probably my favorite color too (I love how the rear end foreshadows the Sting Ray, although not visible here):

    http://photos.aaca.org/showimage.php?i=6243&catid=509
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,968
    I just looked up the stats in my old car book. In 1961, Caddy production was:

    Series 62:
    6 window hardtop sedan: 26,216
    4 window hardtop sedan: 4,700
    6 window Town sedan: 3,756

    DeVille:
    6 window: 26,415
    4 window: 4,847

    60 special sedan: 15,500.

    So, those 4-window "flattops" weren't too popular.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,189
    No - the early 60 Corvettes were nice looking cars too. The real Vette travesty to me is some of the post Sting Ray fat and cartoonish vehicles that Chevy put out under the Corvette name plate.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,189
    I don't know about output numbers, but personally I thought the 1962 Cadillac was much better looking.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I like the coupes' bubble tops in '61, but the '62 was definitely toned down and could be called more timeless IMHO.

    In the Chevy world, I could like a '62 Bel Air bubbletop, and not even with a 409 like it seems most one sees now have.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    No - the early 60 Corvettes were nice looking cars too. The real Vette travesty to me is some of the post Sting Ray fat and cartoonish vehicles that Chevy put out under the Corvette name plate

    No kidding. I can't stand the C5 from the rear, especially on the convertible or the coupe with the small roof--it has a fat a**!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Thanks for posting the production numbers, Andre. Sheesh, the short-deck cars were even rarer...that's less production than a '61 Studebaker Hawk, and production was at an all-time low at that time.

    I was surprised to see in a brochure photo online, that Cadillac even referred to the cars as 'Short Deck'. Never knew that before.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,189
    Personally, as for GM 61 and 62 full sized cars; in 61 I preferred the Chevy and Pontiac and in 62 I preferred the Olds, Buick and Cadillac. The 62 B,O and C just were a lot cleaner than their 61 predecessors. The 61 Pontiac looked better than the 62, and while the 62 Chevy was very clean looking, there's something about the tougher exterior of the 61 for me. Mopar had some interesting, if sometimes weird 61 and 62 models, but Fomoco was big time boring those two years. If I had to pick a Ford, I'd probably go for the 61. At least that's how I see them (But remember, I like the 59 Chevy, so many will probably disagree!).
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,710
    Only one oddity today - pristine looking 85-88 Maxima. Most of those around anymore are pretty trashed.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,690
    I find it kind of strange that it seems to have a vinyl roof.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    edited December 2012
    The '64 Avanti was a beautiful car.

    Do you or anyone know why the split rear window was only a one year styling exercise for the Corvette? Since most people think that window treatment enhanced the '63's styling, and made it special, one has to wonder why it was dropped.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,455
    because of the problems it caused with rear visibility. Probably also more expensive and harder to produce it.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,690
    edited December 2012
  • omarmanomarman Posts: 705
    Here's a link to a very brief summary of the split window design battle between engineer Zora Arkus-Duntov and design chief Bill Mitchell.

    Although it's not mentioned in the article Zora was quoted years later as allowing one grudging benefit to the split window design. In night driving, some headlight glare from behind was blocked by the split rear window. Then or now I can't say if the old man was serious or just tweaking the interviewer. :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,837
    The back end of an Avanti is quite interesting. I find the front end very unattractive--a regrettable styling exercise, like the wedge--the "shovel nose" school of design.

    Corvette Split Window---the story I heard/read was that Arkus-Duntov himself didn't like the split window---if this is true, he would be a pretty formidable opponent in a styling meeting for decisions about '64 models.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I consider the split window to be a 'form over function' exercise. I didn't read the link but I know I've heard that Mitchell (who was born in Cleveland but grew up in my tiny hometown of Greenville, PA and would come back to visit) said that without the split window, "the whole car is ruined".
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,455
    a Subaru SVX. actually looked nice and clean. Certainly a rare sight these days.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,573
    "Do you or anyone know why the split rear window was only a one year styling exercise for the Corvette? Since most people think that window treatment enhanced the '63's styling, and made it special, one has to wonder why it was dropped. "

    I don't know that the buyers back then thought it more desireable. It's NOW that it's more desireable, because it's the first year, it's rarer, and it's different. Had they not changed, nobody would say much about it, I bet!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Must be fun to pull up to a drive-thru window with a Subaru SVX.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    If someone told me I had to buy a Sting Ray, I'd probably most consider a '64. I think they're the most reasonably-priced Sting Rays, I prefer the single rear window, I think the horizontal side vents fit into the styling better than the vertical vents of '65 and later (although those were functional), and I like the wheelcovers better. I also seem to remember a steel blue (or silvery blue) on '64's that was attractive to me, although I don't know if that was a carryover color from '63 or not.

    I'd still want a Fawn Beige or Honduras Maroon '62 though. ;)
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    edited December 2012
    I see a guy driving a stick shift SVX out of a large mall garage occasionally. I suspect he works in the mall. The car looks to be about in a similar condition as the one discussed here, and the same color. It appears to be a daily driver, and it sounds tired.

    I've been meaning to ask the driver a couple of questions about his car if I happened to see him walk to it, because seeing a SVX being regularly driven is such a rarity these days.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's a conversion because they were all auto from the factory. It is not uncommon to convert them to manuals.

    Given their price back then, the owners were eating sit downs meals, not drive thru food.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Most were AWD, but Subaru did offer a FWD version in the U.S. for at least one model year, and probably more. Maybe these were offered with manual transmission. I'll have to research it.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,837
    My Subaru guru who runs an excellent repair shop in California says they are very tough cars to work on, and he will not have them in his shop--for what that's worth--maybe it's just his problem, dunno. I do know that parts are hard to find and quite expensive, and having driven a few, (I like the car), they aren't very fast either.

    An interesting curiosity.

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    I've also read that parts are scarce and expensive (those two things generally go together).
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    I checked, and you're right; they were all automatics. Now I'm even more curious about the one I occasionally see. It's either been converted to a manual, or I'm wrong about the transmission. From the sound it made backing out of the parking place and going forward it sounded like a manual to me.

    For the '94 and '95 model year FWD was offered, but they too were automatics.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Way back when, one of the major US car mags had a snow compare and it won, beating a dozen or so other cars.

    It was a GT for the snow belt.

    Nickname became Snow Vehicle Xtraordinaire.

    In FWD it made no sense.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,621
    Yesterday in traffic I spotted a very nice 65-ish Chevy II Nova wagon which appeared to be in good driver shape, as cars like this often are in Arizona where rust doesn't get 'em (and they aren't parked outdoors where the UV gets them. It was metallic light blue with chrome trim indicating top- model status (Nova?).

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Before I even finished reading your message, I pictured a light blue one in my mind. I think that was a popular color that year.

    A '65 Chevy II is probably my favorite Chevy II. Last of the original body, still quite basic inside, but a handsome revised grille and taillights IMHO, and V8 power available (actually that started with '64).
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,837
    Yes I remember the car mags liking the SVX, but that was before so many newer cars were introduced that were AWD and equally competent, with none of the fuss and bother of owning an oddball car that nobody wants to repair for you. 1980s audi quattros were also the rage back then but now you could hardly give one of those away.

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