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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,703
    I've just finished appraising two Aston Martins: a DB2/4 Mark III drophead (rather rare, especially with left hand drive) and a DB6 with Vantage motor option, done in a very nice, but alas, incorrect navy-bluish color. These are not the most valuable of Astons but they ain't chump change either.

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,653
    Nice, I've always appreciated Astons. Sure some are more desirable than others, but I've generally always liked their style.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,703
    Unlike some exotics, these Astons look really good "in person". The DB6 is a handsome car.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    spotted on my lunch break. It was white, and looked like it was in great shape. Kind of a rare sight now, and even when new, these coupes (as well as the LeSabre version) just didn't seem all that popular. By that time though, it seems like the coupe in general was pretty much past its prime.

    I think they look sharp in black, with alloy wheels. But this one just had wire spoke hubcaps.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,189
    I have the old car out today - someone else has similar ideas, as I saw a white 356 coupe. Not a common site on a chilly Monday morning, no doubt.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Now what are the odds? In our parking lot this morning was the same vintage 88 sedan. Lt Blue with wire spokes and dark tinted windows. Looks to be in great shape.

    Do you remember the LeSabre T-type coupe? There can't be many of those left.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Two doors down from our first 'starter' house, was a soft-spoken, very nice older fellow named Bob who had a very sharp late '80's-era Delta 88 coupe, that ubiquitous maroon with the aluminum wheels you'd see on Toronados of that period. It was a very nice looking car IMHO. He told me once he had owned a new '62 Olds Starfire and that he really enjoyed that.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,189
    Was out in the old car again, saw what I think was a ~70 442 convertible, top down on a mid 30s day. Also an early NSX and a copper red 70s 911. Nice to see enthusiasts taking advantage of the weather.

    Also something weird, Fairmont wagon that looked to have never been washed. Around here, that means it was covered with algae/mold, looked like it had been pulled out of a lake.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,571
    So, speaking of maple bacon donuts.... What is the best time of year to visit Portland?

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,189
    Depends on the weather one prefers. I would say same as Seattle, July through September. But if you don't mind a good chance of rain, anytime is fine, as conditions are rarely severe.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,571
    Less rain is always better... Thanks!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    Do you remember the LeSabre T-type coupe? There can't be many of those left.

    Yeah, that was a sharp looking car. I think the best looking FWD LeSabre was actually the 1986 model, which still had the old fashioned quad headlights, rather than composites. IMO those gave it a more rakish, aggressive look, while the composites actually toned it down a bit. Still, a good looking car, especially in black!

    My ex-wife's mother had a LeSabre sedan, either an '87 or '88 I think. It was a fairly good car, considering they didn't take very good care of it. I think it finally succumbed around 130-140,000 miles.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,653
    IMO those gave it a more rakish, aggressive look, while the composites actually toned it down a bit. Still, a good looking car, especially in black!

    I remember those and they were pretty good looking in their day.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    I agree on the LeSabre coupes. I liked the four headlights better, and I also like the chrome-encased taillights, before they became oversized with no chrome border, too.

    I always liked how the hoods opened on those LeSabres and Electras.

    Back to those Eighty-Eights of the same era..I can remember the older couple who lived across the street from my sister and family had the most striking light-turquoise color one (a sedan, though). I don't think I ever saw another one that color.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    I think I know the color you're talking about. For about a year, there was an 88 sedan of that vintage, abandoned outside of a diner in Mechanicsburg, PA, and I remember that it was a nice turquoise color that really caught my eye.

    It actually caught my eye enough that I took a picture of it, back in 2005, which was the first year I put my LeMans in the GM show at Carlisle...

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    We went to that diner a few more times over the year, and at one point it had moved forward to another parking spot, abutting the curb. And, as the year progressed, the asphalt underneath it got nastier and nastier from oil, coolant, and probably every other fluid that goes into a car.

    This particular example was pretty shot, but I bet it was pretty sharp looking, when it was new.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My wife's aunt and uncle had 2 of those, his and hers.

    The door handles really dated that car, it just seemed older than any other car on the road at the time.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,189
    edited January 2013
    Ha, funny, I remember those door handles catching my eye, too. Push button door handles on a new modern car? What? But to be fair, they are a lot more durable than the cheesy delicate lift up type.

    My grandma had a similar mid 80s Olds. She loved it - because she claimed it was easy to see out of while reversing. In 1996, her fairly immaculate low mileage car was hit by a W124 E-class that ran a stop sign - impact at passenger side wheel, total loss. She replaced it with a nearly new Taurus (at my uncle's urging) which she disliked.

    Saw 2 Porsche Targas today - an absolutely pristine chestnut brown 70s (chrome headlight rings) model, and a "well loved" looking white 80s model.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    The door handles really dated that car, it just seemed older than any other car on the road at the time.

    At the time, I thought that they kept those door handles as a nod to it being a 'luxury' type car, where all the lower models of GM's had the lift-type handles.

    Andre, the turquoise I remember that Eighty-Eight being was very vivid...but then, the car was always clean and shiny. Long story short, but I remember the old guy having a red '65 Dynamic 88 convertible when I was a kid. He was the step-grandfather of a kid in our neighborhood when I was younger (remember, a town of only 8,800 people in the '60 census). The old guy got Alzheimer's but my Mom and I saw him at a dinner at the fire hall (!) and I mentioned both his Oldsmobiles I was aware of and he sprang to life, telling me about his whole long list of Oldsmobiles. He had been a pharmacist.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Between the Park Avenue and Ninety-Eight, FWD versions ('86 and later), I liked the Ninety-Eights better. I liked the 'cathedral' taillights and the big round wheel openings, front and rear. My friend who was the Studebaker dealer in our town had a champagne-colored Ninety-Eight Regency for his wife, an '86, and it was beautiful and roomy inside. It eventually succumbed to trans failure and some other stuff, and he sold it.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,254
    edited January 2013
    I always liked the C pillar and rear window design on those early Buick and Pontiac downsized big coupes. Seems to me that the later squaring off of the rear window area didn't do the cars any favor. They both had nice looking dashes IMHO as well. Now the Olds seemed to cheap out on the dash, but maybe that is because I'm not a fan of horizontal ribbon speedometers.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,276
    It's a shame the transmissions in those full-size FWD Olds and Buicks were so fragile in the first few years. I remember that when they were introduced, they sold really well and you saw a lot of them around. A fellow I worked with bought an '86 Olds 88 new and was really proud of it. But like most, the trans crapped out in short order and after a few go-rounds of getting it fixed he quickly unloaded the car. Same held true generally and word quickly got around that they had chronically bad transmissions, which really hurt their reputation. Too bad, as I found them attractive cars, especially the coupes.

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,653
    It's a shame the transmissions in those full-size FWD Olds and Buicks were so fragile in the first few years.

    Funny you bring that up. I remember a friend of mine's mom's boyfriend who was a doctor had one of those early fwd Olds sedans that he drove often between Chicago and Indy. I remember him telling me he had 3 transmissions replaced before the first set of tires wore out. IIRC he was driving like 60k/yr. I'd guess it had to be back in '85 or '86.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    Originally, the FWD 98, Electra, and DeVille/Fleetwood were supposed to debut as 1984 models, but they were held back a bit because that transverse 4-speed FWD transmission wasn't ready yet. They ended up launching at some point in 1984, as early '85 models. But, given the transmission issues, perhaps they should have been held back a bit longer?

    Supposedly, by 1988 the transmission was much improved.

    Kinda interesting how all of the domestics seemed to have teething problems with their 4-speed OD automatics. Ford's first, which came out in 1980, was supposedly a weak spot for years. GM's 4-speed for the big cars came out in 1981, and was troublesome at first, but I think they worked the bugs out quicker than Ford did.

    GM's transverse 4-speed was troublesome too, and I believe Ford's first, which went in the 1986 Taurus/Sable, also had issues. The Corvette had to be pushed back enough that there was no 1983 model, because its 4-speed automatic wasn't ready yet. And that 4-speed 4L60E that they've been using in trucks has been spotty for as long as it's been in production...although supposedly the older 700R4 version wasn't too bad.

    And, Chrysler's "UltraDrive" from c1988 goes without mentioning. I don't know that they ever truly worked the kinks out of it. I think they simply began designing it to upshift long before the engines would hit their peak torque. When Chrysler started putting 4-speed automatics in their trucks, they were troublesome at first, as well.

    I wonder if the Japanese had the same issues when they started migrating to 4-speed automatics?

    Interestingly, these days, it seems like the move to 5- and 6-speed automatics has been relatively drama-free, with the exception of, perhaps, the early Honda 5-speeds mated to the V-6.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    You mentioned Ford's early 4 speed. That is one you do hear the least about. The AOD received revised internals sometime in the late 80s, but overall is a really good transmission. Many, many failures of AODs are not the fault of the transmission, but rather a 25 cent grommet that fails causing the TV pressure to go too low and destroy the transmission.

    I had this happen on my 89 MGM and it wouldn't stay in 4th gear above 65. I just drove it as a 3 speed for a good while.

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,198
    Happened to me too! :mad:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,703
    nobody does weird like the Japanese---they are very imaginative about things like this.

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,312
    edited January 2013
    Nineteen eighty five was the the first model year for the FWD Park Avenue and Ninety-Eight. I bought a '85 98 Brougham in '88. Nice, roomy, comfortable car, with relatively good performance and reliability for that period.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,312
    I bought my '85 98 Brougham with 31,500, and it was already on its second transmission. The original had been repaired or changed under warranty by the first owner. The second transmission failed at 88,000, and the third at 153,---. Since the car also had other needs by then I managed to carefully nurse it to the junk yard. It cost me a traffic ticket, though, because a traffic light turned yellow at an intersection. I didn't want to stop because of the badly slipping transmission, but the light turned red as I approached the intersection, and the camara caught me. The money I got from the junk yard paid for the fine, give or take a beer or two.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,189
    Saw 2 more old 911s today, both 70s era I would guess - a yellow one on black Fuchs style wheels, seemed to be sitting too high, and a silver one on polished Fuchs wheels.
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