Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

19139149169189191086

Comments

  • au1994au1994 Posts: 790
    I tend to agree. I have watched for years and Speed's coverage just keeps getting worse. Just show me the cars. Don't need "Social Garage", whatever that is etc...

    Also if I hear Craig Jackson interupt a bid again and tell me "This is the opportunity of a lifetime" or Steve Davis tell me this car is "the best of the best" I'll scream.

    The cars are nice though. The stuff earlier in the week is reasonably affordable, drivers and not trailer queens or cars so over restored there is no upside to them.

    2013 335i Sport Line Alpine White over Coral Red w/Black Trim

    2005 330cic ZHP Monaco Blue over Natural Brown w/Black Trim

  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I don't think any amount of nursing is going to get 29.4 out of a Suburban, unless you're drafting semi's or something!

    Yeah, the aerodynamics of an SUV is brink like compared to any car. Every SUV I've owned has been very sensitive to wind direction. A head wind easily means 14mpg on the hwy where as a good tail wind makes 20+ easy. I've driven in head winds were my Expedition won't stay in 6th gear at 70 mph. For comparison, on a calm day, I can tow our 25' 6,000lb boat in o/d in 6th at that speed. Towing at 65mph I can usually get 11-12 mpg. Not terrible considering a combined weight of over 12k lbs.

    Wind is definitely a powerful force. I have a 12' flat bed utility trailer with a 4' grated ramp that doesn't fold, so it just sticks straight up off the back of the trailer. The trailer can't weigh 800lbs empty, yet I can only get 12 mph towing it empty or loaded. The amount of air the ramp grabs is unbelievable. At 65 mph, the truck is laboring nearly as much as towing the boat, despite the towed load being an 1/8th has heavy.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, problem is, now what do you do with it?

    Use it in any way and the value will drop by half in no time.

    It's not really museum worthy, either. So now what? :confuse:
  • omarmanomarman Posts: 715
    Despite the recent 'arctic blast' weather, I spotted a red El Camino in traffic yesterday morning which looked like a '67 from behind. In '66, my mom had a Chevelle Malibu station wagon with the tail lights stacked on top of the backup lights, just like the '66 El Camino. By '67 the backup lights were mounted in the rear bumper.

    Funny details you may remember about mom or dad's old ride! I recall that my mom really liked the wagon but had 2 accidents within 5 years. She was never satisfied with the dealership body work and could spot flaws that I really couldn't. My dad then took the car to an independent shop for a complete repaint and that really upset her. She spotted something different about the trim after the work was finished and that was the last straw. Dad sold the wagon after that and took mom new car shopping. Life is too short to bicker over matching paint and body trim. I remember that within a month after selling the wagon to a friend, my dad said that the new owner had totaled the car in a freeway accident. Nobody hurt though-except the car. :sick:
  • omarmanomarman Posts: 715
    Use it in any way and the value will drop by half in no time.

    I agree. Just taking delivery of that car for that price might cost the new owner 50% depreciation if he tries to sell it the next day! :shades:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    edited January 2013
    "Funny details you may remember about mom or dad's old ride!"

    Funny things. To this day I can tell a 92 from a 93 from a 94 Taurus, or an 84 from an 85 (86 is easy) Tempo, or different years of Ciera etc. And reading books partly at the behest of my dad is how I learned the details of older cars.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    ...light blue 1979 Chevrolet Malibu Classic coupe with light blue vinyl roof and Ralleye wheels on the NW corner of Bingham and Martins Mill Road in NE Philly.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    Well, it does have about 35,000 miles on it, so it's not like some of these freaks we occasionally find with only a few hundred miles on them.

    I could see it falling into the hands of someone who, for whatever reason, really wanted a nice, low mileage example, and intends to keep it forever. So he might drive it on nice, sunny days, take it to a car show here and there, and might put 1000-2000 miles per year on it.

    It also has a rebuilt engine, so it loses some points there for being all pristine-original.

    I have a friend who bought a '78 Mark V Diamond Jubilee a few years back. 2005, I think? I forget how many miles it had on it, but it was pretty low, between 10-20,000. And it looked like a brand new car. He drives is pretty regularly to car shows, although the furthest he probably goes is Carlisle, Hershey, or Rehoboth Beach. By now he might have put 10,000 miles on it, which would put it at 20-30K miles. He didn't buy it to preserve it, necessarily. He just wanted to buy as "new" of a 1978 Mark V as he could find, and then enjoy it. He has no intention of getting rid of it, so he's not looking to flip it to make a quick buck, and probably isn't all that concerned about it appreciating in value.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    What's "amazing" is that a pristine, low mileage 35 year old car could be worth so little as $8500. You can hardly buy a ratty '65 Mustang for that anymore. Think of the effort and expense to store, insure, and preserve a car for 35 years (to say nothing of buying it in the first place)

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    What in its class when new would have brought that much? I guess we'll never know, but somehow I doubt a Pinto or Gremlin (not V8) would bring that. I've seen Cosworths on eBay that didn't bring that much--but not at 35K miles.

    My best man bought a Cosworth with 13K miles that had been within 15 miles of his hometown its whole life, and in fact had been sold new at our hometown dealer (I rode in it when I was 17 years old). Very clean in and out, and ran well. He paid somewhere just slightly north of $4K--although that was about 15 years ago, at a Chevy dealer.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    Sometimes I'll see yahoos at Carlisle trying to sell a Gremlin for $4995 or $5995 or so. But, of course, they don't sell, and pop back up at another show sometime later. And these aren't pristine, showroom-new looking things. Usually they have a little rust on them, and look like used cars. In good shape for a ~40 year old used car, for sure. But, nothing that's going to Pebble Beach anytime soon. More like, IMO, some neat, oddball beater that you might be willing to pay $1000 for, at best, and drive around and have fun with.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    yeah it's the low miles that's the point. Someone guarded that car and purposely kept the miles low but the condition pristine. So my point was that the tremendous effort brought meager rewards.

    Oh a Gremlin X w/ 304 V8 could easily top $8500 if it was a really nice one. As high as $11.5K. A 6 cyl Gremlin could probably hit $9.5K if pristine.

    But not a Pinto

    A Cogsworth Vega maximum potential would be about $14K.

    Actually, given the condition of that '76 Vega, I would say it actually underperformed for its class and type at $8500.

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    What would that Vega have sold for new, back in 1976? I just ran the numbers on an inflation calculator, and $8600 today equates to about $2131 back then.

    But, in 1976 I doubt if you could even get a stripper Vega, let alone a GT, for that little. Although it doesn't have a/c, only has an AM radio. I can't tell from the pics whether it has power steering or brakes. So, other than the GT package, I guess it IS a stripper.

    The only real price reference points I have for that timeframe is 1975, when my Mom bought a new LeMans coupe, and my grandparents bought a new Dart Swinger, and both were about $5,000.

    I guess very few classic cars ever get back up to their original MSRP, when you adjust for inflation.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    Now calculate insurance and garage and maintenance costs for 35 years :P

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,050
    I saw a story on the internet not too long ago, where a thief stole a brand-new Corvette back in the 1980's. I forget the exact year, but it was a C4. Anyway, he actually got away with it, but it got to the point that he could no longer afford to keep it in storage, so he turned himself in!

    I don't know if he ever tried to insure/register it or not.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,901
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    Cool. They only paid double what it was worth, on a car that continues to depreciate---that's smart investing!

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    Andre, that Vega has the Custom Interior package and the side stripes--both actually optional on even a Vega GT.

    Totally off the cuff, my guess is that that Vega was probably right around $4K on the sticker. Cosworths were $6K and up (sticker). I was looking at new Vegas at that time and that's a fairly educated guess (not to sound 'vain'!).

    The 5-speed trans was also optional, as was AM radio, as you noted, plus whatever the destination charge was back then. Can't remember if it has power steering or not, which would have been optional. Swing-out quarter windows were optional. I'll have to look back at the ad to see what all the car has.

    I never look for Gremlins or Pintos on eBay, honestly, but whenever a clean Vega non-Cosworth like this one comes up (rarely, trust me), there always seems to be a good bit of bidding interest on it...unlike Cosworths and general Vega mongrels which are always on eBay.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    Now here's an optimist's version of a car advertisement I just saw: (misspelled words were left in place)

    "FOR SALE 1967 VOLVO 122 4 DOOR, GREAT SHAPE, A LITTLE RUST BUT ALL THE CROME AND DECALS ALL ON CAR. HAS A RAG TOP VERY RARE ,THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT WILL START RIGHT UP BUT NEEDS NEW BATTERY AND NEW ENGINE SEALS IT LEAKS OIL BAD, I WAS GOING TO FIX IT BUT HAVE NO TIME . YT FATHER STARTED WORKING ON IT BUT NEVER FINSHED THE JOB SO THE TRANNY IS OUT BUT I HAVE IT AND ALL THE OTHER PARTS HE REMOVED. ITS A BEAUTIFUL CAR JUST NEEDS TLC . IF YOUR INTERESTED CONTACT ME AT XXXXXX"

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,936
    if this is his idea of "great shape" I would hate to see "needs work".

    and is he implying that a 120 series has a fabric top?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Just looked on ebay, including completed sales (although I'm not sure how far that goes back)--only two Gremlins that have sold showed up...one for $2,850 with 122K miles that looks nice in the pics, and the other, a V8 (not 'X') with 27,500 miles with a dent and scrape on the one side, that sold for $5,010.00 last week.

    I couldn't even find any Cosworth Vegas that sold under 'completed sales'.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    here's one that sold on eBay for $12K---- a Gremlin X with 12,000 orig miles!

    http://media.collectorcarpricetracker.com/auction_data/2012/10/29/121007490104/1- 21007490104.pdf

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    Only 12.8K miles...they don't come any newer than that.
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 903
    I grew up near the AMC plant in Kenosha, My uncles worked there and my Dad for a while, he had a Gremlin and I owned two when I was a teenager. Cheap cars to own, easy to work on and the boneyards around here were loaded with cheap parts. I have no desire to own, drive or ride in one ever again.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    A 122/Amazon could be fitted with a full length webasto style sunroof.

    Funny ad, reminds me of the Ghostbusters car scene.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Rare survivor may be increasing the value.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    I commuted with a couple of other guys for a while.
    One of them had a beater Gremlin.
    The passenger side window was always open a bit due to the piece of rope tied around the frame to hold the door closed.
    I can't remember what we attached it to inside the car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,259
    Oh yeah, Gremlins drive like something you built in your backyard.

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,952
    Saw 2 old style S-10 Blazers this evening - my dad had one of those, it was falling apart when he got rid of it 20 years ago, must be a labor of love to keep one going now. Also a W126 in the same color as my old car, diamond blue - couldn't see if it was actually the same car.
Sign In or Register to comment.