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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    If Tempos are going to survive anywhere, it is here. Although first gen ones are getting to be really rare. Oh, also saw a Probe GT today.

    Subies are popular here too - lots of dealers, and my workplace garage especially is loaded with them. The new Impreza seems like a good mature package.
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 899
    I used to see lot's of Tempo's around here (Wisconsin) in the winter, cheap winter beaters I imagine. I think I've maybe seen one this year, they must all be dying.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    new Impreza seems like a good mature package

    So far of all the small cars I've test driven those had the best ride by a wide margin, and they don't give up much in handling either. Good job tuning the suspension.

    Oh, classic thread, um, gimme a 22B. :shades:
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I still see Tempos running around here. I guess they're kind of like cockroaches. You think they're gone, but keep popping back up;)

    I see a HS kid most mornings piloting a Tempo v6.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,024
    A well-known old-car website recently featured the unibody Ford pickup in its daily blog, and those issues ended being discussed by those who commented. It seems all of them were true, as people posted tales of body flex when burdened with a heavy load that led to door malfunctions, cracking, etc., along with tales of rust problems. The styling was, though, universally admired. Apparently the seperate-box model was rushed into production to address some of those issues, and the box was the same one used in the previous generation, which explains the lack of styling continuity.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    Today's online New York Times features an original owner '76 diesel with over 250,000 miles. Interesting article, but lacking details on maintenance and repairs that I wish had been included. Check it out...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html?hpw
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    I remember someone calling the Chevette a mechanical cockroach. Seems there were several still around up until maybe 10 years ago - then they all suddenly disappeared. I know there's still one in the area, and an early one no less.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    Fun article, what a color for that thing. Seeing as the owner appears to be very careful and by-the-book, it might not have suffered many failures over the years (not a lot to break), but the recommended maintenance has probably consumed some money over 37 years.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    edited February 2013
    I'd like one with the bubble rear window. I've only seen one in person like this:

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    Kind of reminds me of a modern version of the Dodge Sweptside.

    I guess the later ones maybe 1964-65 were different? I remember seeing the "I-beam" badge too.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    The whole appeal to me was the rear wheel openings and integrated taillights. The '64 (I think) and later had a smaller rear wheel opening that didn't look nearly as neat, I don't think.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    One thing going for the Chevette was good rust proofing for that class of car, and the period. It was much better than the Vega, Pinto and the Japanese econoboxes of the '70s in this regard. This is one reason why Chevettes outlasted some of the other subcompacts. Another reason is that, unlike the Vega, for example, the Chevette, basic as it was, had no major design weaknesses, at least that I know of.

    As you may know the Chevette was designed by Opel.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Good points, but I'd have still rather owned a later Vega new than a Chevette. In '76 they were base-priced identically (hatchback to hatchback). I trust most people know I'm in a minority there. ;)
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    edited February 2013
    One thing going for the Chevette was good rust proofing for that class of car, and the period. It was much better than the Vega, Pinto and the Japanese econoboxes of the '70s in this regard, due to greater use of galvanized steel. This is one reason why Chevettes outlasted some of the other subcompacts, at least in areas where rust is a problem. Another reason is that, unlike the Vega, for example, the Chevette, basic as it was, had no major design weaknesses, at least that I know of. I'm not suggesting that the Chevette was a paragon of durability, just that the body was more durable than that of most of its rivals.

    As you may know the Chevette was designed by Opel.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,026
    Another reason is that, unlike the Vega, for example, the Chevette, basic as it was, had no major design weaknesses, at least that I know of.

    I think brakes might have been a weak spot in the Chevette, but I'm not positive. Most of the other issues I've heard of were relatively minor...squeaks, rattles, oil leaks, etc. Things that might be annoying, but wouldn't cripple the car (unless you let the oil run dry). And, things that could be attributable to most cars of that period, anyway.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,616
    Another thing that may have helped keep Chevettes on the road is that NOBODY I knew drove them hard, modified them, etc. In comparison some of the Vega owners thought they had a mini-Camaro...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    When I married my wife, she drove a 1978 Chevette 4-door, 5-speed. It had eleven hard midwestern winters on it, although it still looked okay. However, it smelled like gas inside and eventually one of the shocks (struts) went through the shock tower up front--common on those cars as they got old.

    I bought her a new '90 Corsica 5-speed and the night we picked it up, I hadn't seen her happier...come to think of it, not sure when I next saw her so happy! She drove it three years or so, then I got it while she got a new Caprice Classic. I drove it 'til fall of '96 when it had 108k miles and I 'treated' myself to a new 4-door 5-speed Cavalier. The Corsica never spent a single night in a garage. It was a good car.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    Speaking of Tempos, I saw a Topaz today at the gas station in decent shape actually. IT's funny bewcause I see more Tempos than the early 90s Escorts. Those are almost all gone and I actually liked their styling before they rounded them off in late 90s.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    You know, now that I think of it, the early 90s Escorts are mostly gone here, too. I still see a later Tempo here and there, but can't recall the last time I saw a Topaz. And the pre-91 Escorts, can't recall the last time I saw one.

    But I did see something odd tonight - a Lancia Scorpion - in the rain! Probably not a good idea.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    Lancia Scorpion, wow that's rare too.

    Speaking of older Fords I see the early 90s Thunderbirds too from time to time. For somer reasons their owners think these are collector cars although I think styling has held up well over the years.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    Rare and probably rusting as we speak.

    Those T-Birds attract an older sedate driver, probably many well cared for, just watch out for the 3.8. I remember at the end of the 90s, classified ads for those would tout their supposed collectibility.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    I see a lot of teenagers, early 20s guys usually driving the TBrids. Affordable and decent looking cars if you can find some for $1000-$2000.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    Yes, the Chevette strut towers were a point of relative weakness, but 11 hard Midwestern winters suggests that they weren't a design defect for a '70s entry level car.

    Interesting about the Corsica. Was it a I-4 or V6? How did the Cavalier compare to the Corsica, durability wise?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    The 3.8 was most problematic in the FWD Ford products, and less so in the RWD ones. The main reason for the problems, usually head gaskets, is that it's a tight fit for the 90 degree angle 3.8 in the FWD cars. That restricts air circulation, thereby restricting cooling. This condition also caused premature transmission failures in FWD 3.8s.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    It wasn't so much the cooling problems. The biggest reason was the iron block combined with aluminum heads. They expand at different rates and the gasket fails.

    Yes, the FWD products had more issues, but honestly I think just because there were many more sold (Taurus, Sable, Continental, Windstar) than the RWD models. Ask any Ford mechanic they will tell you the RWD cars (Tbird, Cougar) fail as well.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I actually put more miles on the Cavalier--129.6K miles. Both it and the Corsica still had cold air, neither had had the 'you'll have to replace the intake manifold gasket' issue (neither did my '02 Cavalier with 112K). I would actually say the Cavalier was probably a little better than the Corsica. I had the cheapo plastic wheel covers on the Corsica which upwards of 100K miles would fall off easily. The Cavalier had bolt-on covers. I had a smallish area of crazed painted on the Corsica--it was dark grey--and I never had any paint issues whatsoever with either Cavalier, but both had clear coat. But I don't regret that Corsica one bit. There was a good rebate on it at the time too IIRC. It was a four, BTW. The Corsica was a larger, more comfortable car IMO, with better seats and upholstery.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    My uncle lost a transmission in a 3.0 Taurus, and my mother lost a head gasket in a 3.8 Taurus (at ~80K miles, maintained regularly). My uncle also had the intake gasket/manifold 3.8 issue in a LeSabre. My mother and brother (he dealt with issues in V6 Sundance Duster/Neon/Lumina) are both Toyota converts now.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    Might be things to get out of estates for cheap. I see hipster types in older cars around here, especially things like slant 6 Mopars, and of course old VWs.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I lost a head gasket at 65K ish in my 93 Taurus 3.8. The transmission was still going at 100K when I dumped it. I had a feeling it wouldn't have lasted much longer because at WOT it didn't like to shift into 3rd bouncing the engine off the rev limiter.

    My mother had the 3.8 in her 96 Thunderbird and she had that car for 10 years, but only put 45K on it. No head-gasket problems but I think the low mileage helped and by 96 Ford changed something to help the HG problem. That car did like to leak anti-freeze and puked up an entire A/C system.

    I still remember when my Stepdad got that car for her. We were at the dealer and they had two 96 leftovers in January 97. One was a gorgeous dark blue 4.6, and a Pacific Green 3.8. There wasn't much price difference between the two and he told the dealer he would be back. In the car on the way home I told him to get the 4.6. When he went back he got her the 3.8 thinking she didn't need the extra power. :cry:

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    the early 90s Escorts are mostly gone here, too

    I had a '91 Escort GT, until it was totalled in 1998.

    The power train was solid, ran for 107k miles on the original clutch despite some, uh, enthusiastic driving. :shades:

    The motorized mice belts drove me crazy and some interior trim starting falling off, and the door cards were beginning to come unglued.

    That was when Ford and Mazda were related, so it actually had the 1.8l engine from the Protoge and Miata.

    Fun little car, but interior quality wasn't that good.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,859
    edited February 2013
    I remember my mom's Taurus (also a 93) started making sloshing sounds - like something had leaked behind the dash. Maybe a heater core issue too? I don't remember any smells though. But by then, it was near its end. She dumped it when the engine failed. Kind of sad, as the car was pretty trouble free otherwise. It was white with a blue interior, all the excitement of a fleet car, but it was a GL with power everything, wheels, etc.

    I also remember when the transmission in my uncle's 3.0 died - suddenly, only reverse worked. A few days earlier, it was shifting oddly - would stay in gear far too long, kind of like what you describe. Heads up for next time, I guess. He got it fixed, but a few years later it caught fire (!) and was a total loss. He fixed the LeSabre after its intake issues and kept the car, as he likes the engine otherwise.
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