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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    That'll be an adventure, driving in Israel.

    Not too bad, and not like anything you see in movies or news about the middle east. The roads are normal, traffic rules are normal, no donkeys or anything like that sharing roads. I did it 5 years ago and it was fine, only sometimes other drives make risky moves and are a bit agressive (nobody stops for pedestrians) but otherwise it's fine.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • omarmanomarman Posts: 705
    I had the same impression with a rental Omni 2.2/automatic back in the 80s. It's strange, but the Omni was ahead of its time (no really) because it was bigger than other subcompacts when it first came out. By the mid 80s, other subcompacts were growing into the size where the Omni started/finished.

    As a rental, the Omni seemed okay to me, kept up with traffic and got the job done. But the interior bits and ergonomics were dreck. The manual inside hood release looked like a re-purposed dipstick. :lemon:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,714
    Probably people with more situational awareness than here, anyway.

    I see Sixt has Sirion or equiv for under $20/at at Tel Aviv, with a diverse line of small cars - highlines are pricey though.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    Yeah I priced out a CTS and it would have been like $5k for 3 weeks lol.

    A subcompact will run me about $500-$600 with insurance for same amount of time.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,714
    I got something like $300/day for an E class...no thanks.

    When I rent overseas, I buy their insurance too - but domestically, the Amex insurance is a deal. When you get back, post it on the rental car thread, I'll be curious to see what you get.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I absolutely preferred Omni/Horizon rentals into the '80's, over K-cars.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,855
    edited February 2013
    50 Studebakers Destroyed In Fire :(

    Folks, make sure your collector cars are well insured and appraised!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's a shame.

    Too soon for the "that'll buff right out" jokes?
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    edited February 2013
    Uplanderguy has to be in mourning... He's the Stude guy...

    The thing that always gets me about tragedies like this is the total lack of protection given to the value of the assets.

    You can rest assured that if I had a shop(s) full of collectible cars it would be equipped with some sort of fire protection, even if it was only a simple sprinkler system.... At least, something that might give me a chance of saving some of the vehicles.

    It's like power tools. I can't count how many times I've seen someone spend a small fortune on a deluxe power tool, yet refuse to spend the extra $15-20 for a moulded plastic case to store it in when not in use. Usually it's crammed into a storage cabinet or left lying on a shelf, exposed....5 years later, its all beat up.

    I'm not trying to beat this guy up or anything, but he's lost something he can NEVER get back, regardless how much he's insured for...

    Maybe I'm just too sensitive to stuff like this because something similar happened in my hometown when I was in my early 20's ...there was a guy with all types of old collectible cars. Had them stored in an old barn, and wouldn't think of selling them. Well, one night the barn burned, along with all those non-replaceable cars. It was a absolute travesty...And, he had zero insurance...

    By the way, Chesnee is about 50 miles from my house...
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    There's a thread like that? I'll check it out, thanks.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    edited February 2013
    "Weird sort of attraction" describes the appeal of Cimarrons for me perfectly. I can't say the same for the Catera, though. Although the Catera was a better car than the Cimarron, in terms of how it drove and fit in the Cadillac lineup of its day, most of them were high maintenance. For all of its faults the Cimarron wasn't high maintenance. By now, though, trim parts are probably virtually unobtainum.

    Besides, the Cimarron, like, say, the Aztek, is one of GM's big blunders. That makes it attractive in a weird sort of way, to use your words. The Catera, by contrast, kind of slid by rather annonomously. It's unremembered and unlamented. Sort of like that (Chrysler) Maserati TC or late '80s/early '90s Imperial.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,190
    edited February 2013
    >Cimarron

    I believe I only saw ONE Cimarron during my summer where I viewed thousands of older cars at car shows and cruise-ins. I don't remember seeing any in the couple of previous summers where I saw almost as many cars each summer.

    I don't think the car deserves the ridicule heaped on it perpetually by some just like the Aztek doesn't deserve all, some but not all, ridicule. It was NOT a wunderauto but was a sincere attempt to come up with a smaller car to increase Cadillac's market. Admittedly it was not a stellar attempt but was more of an early experiement to see if an upgraded J-body would serve Cadillac.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I actually like those early 90s Imperials. They were very plush and could be loaded up for the times. They also got the 3.8 V6 so decent power as well. They probably have tranny issues as all the FWD 6 cyl Chryslers did.

    They were phased out in 93 and the LH platform was a giant leap forward.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    In many ways the Cimarron was ahead of its time. Look at all the entry level small luxury sedans that sell so well today. The only difference is today, the manufacturers can pull it off. In the early 80s it wasn't so easily done.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I'd heard about that a week or so ago...very sad. Supposedly the guy is well-known in that area of SC and a nice guy, per people who know him. I've never met him nor spoken to him.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    Regarding your first paragraph, the fact that there are so few Cimarrons remaining just makes it a more interesting item at car shows.

    Well, I can't disagree with your second paragraph. However, Cadillac's biggest mistake wasn't to use the J-body for an entry level model, but, rather, to not differentiate the Cimarron more from the Js in GM's lower level divisions. For example, if the Cimarron had had more differentiated styling, with more Cadillac cues, a plusher interior and a more powerful engine from the get go it could have justified its higher price. In other words, the problem wasn't in the concept, it was in the execution.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,162
    Insurance or not, I'd be on the brink of suicide if I lost my 1989 Cadillac Brougham in a fire. Sure, I could get another one like it, but it won't be my car!
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    edited February 2013
    The Cimarron would have done better if it didn't look so much like a Cavalier.

    I guess in the 80s it might have been hard to redo all of the body panels and the dashboard as they were cookie cutter square.

    These days you can add or remove a few different swoops from the body and the car will look totally different. I mean look at the Lexus ES series and the Camry. Both identical cars under the skin but they look different enough that people are willing to pay a 25-30% premium for the Lexus badge.

    EDIT: Just saw hpmctorque's post about the styling, I wrote mine before I read his, exactly my point.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458
    Or Nova. On 295, a mid-later 70's Nova 4 door. Burgendy, with a vinyl roof. Looked to be listing a bit to port, but was moving at highway speeds.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    In addition to the suggestions I made, Cadillac could have increased the wheelbase of its J-car by 2", thereby differentiating it in terms of interior space and rear seat legroom, as GM used to do to differentiate the Olds 88 and 98. The slightly longer Cimarron would have still been a compact, and fuel economy would have been only minimally affected. This way, buyers would have gotten more car for the higher price. Another precedent for this differentiation was the Nova and Seville.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,714
    edited February 2013
    Few oddballs today - Plymouth Prowler, 60s vintage Land Rover, horrible looking C6 Corvette on oversized body color wheels almost donk style.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I liked the Beretta and Corsica when they first came out. Styling looked good, I thought. But the interiors were horrible. And when the Cavalier was redesigned and improved for 1995, I think it put some pressure on them.

    My '89 GT had nice seating, I always thought. It was a very light beige ribbed corduroy. First car I owned with a split folding rear-seat back, and it actually had a center armrest in the back, although the rear seat was kids-only IMHO.

    I liked the rear end styling of the Beretta, if you didn't get a spoiler. Still, it was the smallest car I'd owned up 'til that time and really, for me, too small to be an only car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,855
    It's not the car that deserves abuse--that's true--it's Cadillac that deserves the abuse for trying to charge a Cadillac price for a Chevrolet with more sound-deadening material stuffed into it. That's what got everyone in a snit, and the car was, in a sense, an innocent victim of corporate greed.

    I think people felt insulted that Cadillac would think them so naive.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,624
    I think you've summed it up correctly, Shifty. There was nothing inherently wrong with the concept of a small luxury sedan. BMW proved one could sell well if it was built to high standard.

    Their 3-Series has dominated the category to this day.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,714
    And wasn't the Cimarron intended as kind of a response to the E21 3er? GM execs couldn't grasp that people weren't buying BMWs just for leather seats, not that easy.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,190
    >...would think them so naive.

    The Seville had changes to the track, suspension, and other things IIRC over the Chevy upon which it was based. The problem with the Cimarron was that there were not many changes to actually make it a better performing car than the other J-cars.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,855
    Exactly--it was not a somewhat de-contented Cadillac, it was a tarted-up J-car. I guess it would be like Audi trying to market an A6 by putting nicer upholstery in a Jetta.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Or like Honda putting nicer leather in a Civic....wait.... :D
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    I saw a Beretta today. Even though the styling isn't contemporary it has aged well.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    edited February 2013
    Yeah, right, the Acura ILX is a tarted up Civic EX at a jacked up price. Not as eggregious as the Cimmaron, maybe, but the comparison isn't too far fetched.

    I've read that the Acura folks have decided to give the ILX a power boost, even though the ILX's standard 2.0 engine is more powerful than the Civic's 1.8.
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