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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    $347.66 per month

    I thought I was the only one who remembers what my car payments were on past cars!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,144
    The payments on my first new car - a 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic were $237.15 a month for 36 months. I paid it off in 15 months.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,887
    I vaguely remember my Mom's '86 Monte Carlo costing something like $272 or $282 per month. I think she financed it over 48 months. That was the first car she ever financed. All of her previous cars were paid for in cash. However, when she bought her '66 Catalina convertible, she saved up half the money waiting tables, borrowed the other half from an aunt, and then paid her back.

    I guess the 80's were a major turning point for the Baby Boomers...why scrimp and save up for it when you can finance it, and enjoy it NOW!!

    In Mom's credit though, I think GM was offering some low APR financing at the time.

    As for my old Intrepid, I don't know why that $347.66 monthly payment sticks in my mind, but it does. Heck, I can't even remember exactly what the monthly payment was supposed to be on the 2012 Ram. I know it was $358.XX, but don't remember it to the penny like I do the Intrepid.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,756
    My 1984 Cavalier was $139.15 for 36 months. My insurance was just about the same.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,887
    My 1984 Cavalier was $139.15 for 36 months. My insurance was just about the same.

    My first car was a 1980 Malibu coupe that my Mom gave me in early 1987. My stepdad made me get insurance in my own name, and I remember the bill for that first year, liability-only, was $1,361.

    It's funny how, back then, that didn't seem like a whole lot of money, even though I was just a high school kid making $3.75 per hour, part time. It was my only real expense though, and back then we all whined when gasoline went up over $1/gal.

    Plugging into an inflation calculator, that $1,361 is the equivalent of about $2,759 today! Incidentally, I think the insurance bill for my whole fleet these days is only around $2500 per year. Adding the Ram didn't really increase it a whole lot, but I upped my liability limits, and I think that's what did it.
  • It's similar to the formula I use:

    Total purchase price + non-mainenence repairs divided by months owned.

    I figure all cars will need brakes tires etc, even shocks and front end etc if you keep it long enough so generally it averages out over cars, although class of car will matter in cost of repairs and gas used. I just keep that in mind and when looking at a replacement car will do the gas mileage thing as an aside.

    It's front end loaded too. I have gotten as low as $85/mo (late 90s Metro) and $110/mo (late 90s Grand Marquis). The gas savings tires etc with the Metro probably saved an additional $85-90 or so over the Grand Marq (that was before gas went through the roof), but hey, I'd rather drive the big Merc anyway :)

    Wait a sec - that means compared to the Merc the Metro paid for itself! :eek:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,563
    Financing is a lot cheaper these days - dubiously low rates, and more incentives. I was looking through a newspaper from 1988 not long ago, and noticed an ad for a Chevy Celebrity *lease* - it was something around $300/month! In 1988 dollars! For a Celebrity!

    I don't remember any of my exact payments, as I always paid ahead. E55 payment (with extra) 7 years ago was about the same as my current lease.
  • omarmanomarman Posts: 695
    This loaded '88 Celebrity Eurosplat wagon demo was a 4 year closed end lease, rebate to dealer, etc. I miss the Caprice. Those third gen full size cars were very good across all the GM divisions.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,563
    4 year lease, so you're leasing an out of warranty car? Sounds risky. And a $262 lease on a used car with a $16K price? No deals like that today. I remember seeing 60 month leases in old papers, too. Weird.

    It does amuse me that a nice big comfy smooth Caprice was cheaper than a Celebrity.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Yeah, but the Celebrity is a Eurosport ;)

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,887
    edited March 2013
    I wonder if that $255 lease for the Caprice was some kind of loss leader? I have a feeling that might have been the base-level model, which replaced the Impala after 1985. Maybe just a V-6, crank windows, etc?

    Still, I'd take a stripper Caprice over a fully-loaded Celebrity, any day!

    Oh, on the subject of nice old B-bodies, this 1977 Bonneville Landau coupe looks kinda nice. Looks like it's been sideswiped on the passenger side, and just banged back out the best they could. Nice that it has the 403. And you hardly ever see these things with sunroofs.
  • garv214garv214 Posts: 162
    My formula, however, takes into account purchase price, and sale/salvage price, but not depreciation

    Actually, if your formula takes into account the sale/salvage price then you are including depreciation in the calculation. For example, if you purchased your Park Ave for $15K and have a sale/salvage price of $5K, your implied depreciation is $10K ($15K purchase minus $5K sales/salvage price).

    If you want to minimized the front end loading, you have to have a sliding salvage/sale price for the car (i.e. current market rate) which will show a more accurate depreciation cost on the car. For example, if you Park Ave is worth $8K this year, but only $7K next year, then your depreciation for that year is $1K.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    edited March 2013
    Yes, your way would be accurate for figuring it out year by year. That would be a helpful tool to see what years of ownership yield the lowest cost per mile. I think we could all agree that figure is most likely years 4-7 where the car may be still fairly reliable but not depreciating as fast.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited March 2013
    That is an interesting '77 Bonneville coupe. I don't remember Pontiacs (or Chevs) having the glass sunroof at that point, but I could just not be remembering correctly, for sure. I believe the glass sunroof was called an 'astroroof' on Cadillacs.

    I remember seeing a new '78 Caprice Classic Landau with the steel power sunroof, in late summer '77. This young guy who washed and detailed cars at Ron Seidle Chev-Cadillac in Clarion, PA ordered it! I remember the sticker was $9,600, astronomical at the time. He said he ordered a '77 in the spring and it came in a '78, but he was OK with that.

    It was dark blue with white half vinyl top and the door and window frames painted white, as was done on the Landau model at that time.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,563
    edited March 2013
    I never warmed up to the Celebrity, even as a kid I disliked the gauges, especially the font used for the speedometer numbers. Little details can be killer. A black Eurosport wagon is kind of sharp in a now-retro way, though. A 2 door is rare today too, I recall uplanderguy bought one new.

    I knew I had seen that Bonneville before - a "Cereal Marshmallows" car, it has its own youtube video. The seller seems pretty honest, but a lot of his cars seem to have sat outside for 25 years, with the usual cosmetic decay. That car is very clean, but yeah, something up on the passenger side, and it is kind of faded overall. I like those stock hubcaps, too, although some spokes are missing. Good luck finding those!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited March 2013
    I think you do get used to a way a certain manufacturer has instrument graphics, etc. In the '70's, I didn't like Ford's or Chrysler's speedometer numbers, and I didn't like on Chryslers how the armrests were still bolt-on instead of sculpted into the doors like GM's (at least early '70's).

    When I bought my Celebrity, I bought the couple of extra gauges, and I liked the instruments as they had very thin needles and to my mind they resembled stereo receiver instruments of the day! For a Celebrity, mine was a nice, solid dark plum color, same inside, bucket seats, aluminum wheels (before they had the big ugly dust shield in the middle of them), wide Goodyear Eagle GT tires, etc. It did corner in a 'sticky' way for the time.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    This reminds me of a 'why did they do that that way?' thread we can start.

    1) Why did Ford have the ignition on the left in the '60's, and put the radio on the left in '69 and '70 full-size cars?
    2) Why did Chevy put the heater controls on the left in '71-76 full-size cars?
    3) Why did Chrysler lugnuts turn in the opposite direction of everybody else's in the sixties?
    4) Why did '63 Studebaker Larks have an ignition on the left, and have a clock or tach in the center gauge position and the speedometer to the right?
    5) Why did VW Sciroccos and some M-B's have one center wiper?

    I'm sure we could expand this list forever! LOL
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,333
    1) Why did Ford have the ignition on the left in the '60's, and put the radio on the left in '69 and '70 full-size cars?

    I had a '60 Falcon, and it may have been to equalize the labor. When starting the car and getting moving you had to set the choke, engage the starter, put it in gear, and release the brake. The brake was on the left, so you could start the car and release the brake with the left hand while setting the choke and put it in gear with the right. Just a guess.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,887
    2) Why did Chevy put the heater controls on the left in '71-76 full-size cars?

    I wonder if the rationale was simply that it would keep the kids from fiddling with the HVAC controls?

    3) Why did Chrysler lugnuts turn in the opposite direction of everybody else's in the sixties?

    they only had those left-hand lugs on the driver's side of the car. I think the prevailing theory of the time was that, on the left side of the car, if the lugs were tightened counter-clockwise, then they'd be less likely to loosen up while driving, because of centrifugal force. Did anybody else ever try that, or was it just Chrysler?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,501
    edited March 2013
    I feel certain that the French must have done it at some point as well. :P

    Actually no crazier a concept than "positive earth" on British cars.

    DO electrons really care which way they flow? If they do, how did the British come to know that?

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Uplander,

    Those are all really good examples, however, IMHO the simple biggest ergonomic flaw was in the early 80s Ford decided to put the horn on the turn signal stalk. That is bonehead, defined.

    The HVAC controls on the left is something Chrysler did in the 80s with the Omni/Charger

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Picking a nit...........seems to me the left hand threads were on the passenger side. I remember when I was growing up it wasn't too unusual to yank on a lug wrench a time or two before realizing you were pulling in the wrong direction. Most of the tires I changed as a kid were on Pontiacs and Internationals......not sure if both had left hand threads , but at least one of them did.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,887
    I tried to google some info on left-hand lugs, but stuff was spotty...mainly just questions on message boards and such. But, apparently, GM used left-hand lugs on their cars up through 1963. I'm not sure when Chrysler finally did away with them. Both of my Darts, the '69 and '68 had them, although when I put the 8 3/4 rear end in the '68, I think it had right-hand threads on both sides.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited March 2013
    Those are all really good examples, however, IMHO the simple biggest ergonomic flaw was in the early 80s Ford decided to put the horn on the turn signal stalk. That is bonehead, defined.

    How could I have forgotten that one? That was boneheaded! Similarly, but not quite as bad, is on '69 and '70 Chevy models, to blow the horn you had to push one of two little buttons on the end of the center steering wheel bar. Thankfully, someone figured out by '71 that you should be able to push anyplace on the center bar to get the horn to work! I think 'rim blow' horns were a good idea executed poorly in cars I was familiar with that had them.

    The only way I knew about Chrysler lugs was, a friend of my Mom's had a '65 full-size Dodge wagon and when she went to leave our house, it had a flat. My Dad, home not long from a day of work, went to change it for her and grumpily later complained about that 'feature'. He had only owned one Mopar, and that was a '37 Plymouth. ;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I had a '60 Falcon, and it may have been to equalize the labor. When starting the car and getting moving you had to set the choke, engage the starter, put it in gear, and release the brake. The brake was on the left, so you could start the car and release the brake with the left hand while setting the choke and put it in gear with the right. Just a guess.

    I think that's an excellent guess; I had forgotten about that. My parents' last Ford product was a '62 Fairlane, six with stick and it had a manual choke. I was surprised to learn years later that a same year Studebaker Lark had an automatic choke, but Ford products (at least Falcon and Fairlane) still had manual chokes. Which reminds me...why did Ford still have two steering columns visible into the early '60's...a small and a bigger one? Now, that isn't a matter of Ford not having any money (like Studebaker or possibly Rambler some years)--just...why?

    And BTW, I'd just love to own a bone-stock '61 Ford Galaxie 500 Starliner hardtop, with the "two columns".
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Why did '63 and '64 full-size Chevys have a "Cold" light?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,563
    I have weird little nit-picks, and Celebrity gauges were one of them. Even our Ciera seemed better. Something about the Chevy instruments just rubbed me the wrong way (and I was just a kid). I am sure your car was pretty nice looking for 1985 - my dad had a brown on brown/tan 85 S-10 Blazer - not so stylish.

    I like the instrument fonts on 60s cars, usually thin and tall, they just look cool.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,563
    I kind of miss my single wiper MBs - its one thing that catches my eye too much on the new car. The MB single wipers fly across the windshield, normal wipers move really slow. I think it was implemented to clear more of the windscreen, but was just too odd and probably complex to catch on.

    For the cold light, I swear my 66 Galaxie had something like that...or maybe I just have bad memories of it constantly stalling until it reached full operating temperature.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,062
    >why did Ford still have two steering columns visible into the early '60's

    I couldn't figure out what you meant by two steering columns. But the top is a rod for the gear shift or auto transmission selector. The bottom column is the actual steering column. Is that what you mean?

    >My parents' last Ford product was a '62 Fairlane, six with stick and it had a manual choke.

    The six-cylinder models had a manual choke. The V8s had an automatic choke. This was true in the 1960 Ford.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,260
    I liked the outside mount wipers on our 1995 Caravan. The ones where they met in the middle, and both moved up and out. Took some getting used to, since they looked "different" but seemed to do a better job in coverage.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

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