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Honda Pilot Maintenance and Repair

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  • zorcereszorceres Posts: 23
    Thanks! We looked into the Maintenance Manual and figured the codes out but it also said that B is usually under "extreme" driving conditions so everything that will be done in A is also in B but with lesser milage. That's what I meant when I said Schedule A and/or B.

    We didn't find the VTM-4 fluid change at 10K and 15K thereafter but will look again and I do appreciate the information. Is just weird to us that it doesn't follow a 15K one like we are used to on our previous cars. I mean, it will be at 10, 25, 40, etc, instead of the way easier to remember 15, 30, 45, etc. So for oil, tires rotation, belts, etc, it is 7.5, 15, 22.5, 30, etc but we have to go in between those for the VTM-4 fluid. Weird!!

    The oil change reminder is coming on at about every 6500 miles or so which I think is normal for the use we give the car and what the manual says. I do agree that in new cars, every 3K is an overkill.

    Thanks a lot!
  • Yeah, it is a strange way to layout a service schedule. I never could get a good answer on why they did it this way. Just follow the minder and take care of all the things during the normal A or B schedule. A few extra miles on the VTM fluid won't damage anything.
  • Motor oil myths and facts-don't fall for 3000mi. myth or dark oil myth-follow recommended severe oil change-synthetic oil if you have a high performance engine or extremly cold climate other wise it provides no benefit(but no harm either)-avoid engine flushes-check oil-synthetic oil still becomes contaminated ! You can use any oil that meets spc.,even the cheap oil !
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    You may like this too:

    "New oil has chemicals that eat away the catalytic converter, says Donny Seyfer, a Colorado-based certified master technician, and changing oil too often can damage that pricey part."

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  • jensadjensad Posts: 388
    Thanks Steve for the referral article. Good info on car care and tips on what NOT to get suckered into with car service.

    Good luck to all and stay safe.

    jensad
  • bob11bob11 Posts: 18
    Hi my Honda pilot 2003 has 185000 miles. It's having problems starting. A few months back it had transmission replaced. After a few weeks of that the break switch died. Car had to be towed cost me 500 overall in rental car charges and repairs. Here are some questions

    Is it worth it persisting with this car?
    The dealer said starter might need replacing. It's about 600$
    it needs timing belt replaced. That's another 500$
    do you think the starting problem and break switch failure have anything to do with the transmission change.
    Thanks
  • You have certainly gotten a lot of use out of your car. All of those parts are getting to the point of needing replacement. I don't think it is related to the transmission change. Thats okay. If you still have confidence in the vehicle and enjoy driving it, then perform what needs to be done.

    Look at it this way, $1200 is two months of payments on a new Odessey. If you get another year or two out of your's, then you are way ahead. Even with some other costs thown in.
  • caugncaugn Posts: 30
    Sorry to hear you're having trouble with your pilot. Ours is a 2003 with 173,000 miles on it. So far I've only had trouble with one of the CV joints. Other than that it's been a worry free vehicle. My opinion would be to fix what needs fixed and keep driving it unless you're disatisfied otherwise with it. The items you've mentioned do have a tendency to wear out but so long as the engine is good and you take care of it you should get another 100K out of it at least.
  • donixdonix Posts: 16
    Okay, if that`s what you thought. it`s fine. We`ll just picking up what is good for the vehicle and if we think that it is wrong, so why we should do it. and if you think also that it is good,, so let`s get it on!!! I`ts is like just eating a whole fish. you throw the bones and eat the flesh.

    1-2 mins in idle with 2 quarts in the engine can create 1000s of miles of wear???????
    comm`n.....did I say that I run the engine w/o oil filter? So you say that my senior mechanic is a junk? Early oil change can also damage the cat. cnvrtr????? 30% left in oil life is not early, and also it is not excessive . Until here guyz!!! I will post back again when my catalytic converter will fail... and also if when my engine does`nt work..I hope not... HAVE A BLESSED DAY TO ALL PILOT OWNERS!!!

    oH THANKS BY THE WAY FOR THE POST OF THE VTM4 FLUIDS IT REMINDS ME TO CHANGE IT.
  • Well, here are some “tidbits” that I believe to be accepted in the automotive world.

    When you first start your car in the morning, all of the oil is sitting in the oil pan. No oil is in the bearings, or the oil passage ways, or other places that oil needs to be when the motor in running. Every time you “cold-start” or “dry-start” the car, the oil has to go through the pump, filter, and oil passages to get to the bearings. During those brief moments, the bearings do not have oil in them and are “bearing” against themselves (it’s actually metal against metal “tearing”). This is known to cause a lot of wear. Some say up to 80% of ALL wear occurs during these starts, but I haven’t read those studies.

    There IS oil in the oil filter because most filters have a check-valve that keeps oil from draining all the way back into the oil pan. When you change the oil filter, the pump and filter need to refill with oil first, before it can go through the oil passages and get to the bearings. Oil filters usually hold around 1/3 of a quart.

    Way, way, back when I was the most senior junior-automotive technician at a service shop (I never made it the Certified Master Technician status or even Senior Chief Mechanic) ;) and I would have to change the oil/filter in a turbo-charged vehicle, I had to pull the coil wire on the motor and crank the engine until the “low oil pressure” light went off. Then I could replace the coil and start the car. The reason was that if I started the car after I changed the oil without priming it; the turbo could spool-up (spin) and, since there was no oil in the system, I could ruin the bearings in the turbo. Some professionals prime all vehicles when they change the oil to protect all of the bearings throughout the engine. There is even some equipment that can prime your engine every time you start your car!

    Yes, it is important that you do not allow the oil level get too low. By running the engine with only two quarts after an oil change, (1/3 of a quart is gonna be used by the filter), there might not be enough oil to supply every bearing with oil, even at idle. Think about it, if you would not drive your car with only two quarts, then why would you want to run the engine AT ALL with only two quarts? :confuse: If too much oil is in the pan then the crankshaft can spash though it and create air that could get sucked-up and delivered to the bearings. Too much oil can also damage seals and create leaks.

    Mileage by itself is actually NOT a very good indicator of when to change the oil. Other factors, (the number of cold starts, average oil temperature, average water temp, average rpm, precision of fuel metering, etc.) are just as important. The maintenance minder is the latest technology and uses “fuzzy logic” based on these kinds of factors to estimate oil condition. If the minder is indicating 30% oil life at 2,500 miles, then you have very extreme driving conditions. If it is indicating 15% at 5,000 to 7,000, then you probably drive easy and/or live in mild conditions.

    The Honda Pilot requires 4.5 quarts of oil (similar to most V-6 engines) after an oil and filter change. Most shops that change your oil are not going to put that extra ½ quart of oil in there, even the ones that pump it out of a 55-gallon drum. After the oil change, the reading on the dip stick will read right in the center of the range, which is fine. Mine stays right there until the next oil change. If your vehicle is using a quart of oil between changes, that means something is wrong. You either have a leak or the engine is burning oil, both are bad. Vehicles are not “designed” to consume oil, only gas.

    Wow, I can’t believe I wrote all this! Sorry about the long post……...
  • markludmarklud Posts: 41
    I read something about replacing a part to repair the function of the rear air conditioning vents on my 03 Pilot EX. Can someone send me info, or a link to a site, on how to do the repair? No air comes out of the rear vents in the center console. Thanks to anyone who can help!
  • This problem poses a severe safety problem and should be reported to the NTHSA website. Suppose a plate falls off in freeway traffic and bounces into the vehicle following. A severe accident could follow.
  • These failures represent a safety which should be reported to the NHTSA. A plate could bounce into oncoming or following traffic and create a nasty accident.
  • markludmarklud Posts: 41
    Thanks for the link! I think I'll be able to handle that, I'm sure that must be the problem. Just as an aside, my 03 has 53,000 miles with one major incident. One day I noticed oil under the engine, at 50,000 miles. I took it to honda service and they diagnosed a rear main seal leak. I know very little about that subject, so I took their word, and $1,100 later, my leak is fixed. Has anyone else had this problem? I actually wrote Honda and received a call from a cust. serv. rep. He was very cordial and asked if I would accept half reimbursement for repair cost. Since I'm beyond warranty coverage, I accepted. I feel I was treated fairly by honda, but not sure what an average rear main seal repair costs. Any comments by anyone? I love Edmunds.com and have gained so much insite on all my car questions!
  • rich357rich357 Posts: 9
    I bought my 2009 Pilot in June of 2008 and after one year the suspension seems as if it needs adjusting - or something. Can the suspension be adjusted? Going over a small pothole sound like a "crash," while slopping road paving can have the car slightly swaying.

    I guess what I'm saying is, there's a noticeable difference in one year. Can anything be done to smooth it out again?

    Thanks!
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Firstly check air pressure on all the tires and make sure they are same with PSI the sticker staets on the driver side door panel.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,564
    You could have a defective strut/shock on one side.

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  • nasgroupnasgroup Posts: 14
    Hey All,

    I always buy a factory service manual for all my vehicles. I have been surfing online, but have not found them for sale.

    thanks
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    Helm has "2009-2010 Pilot Service Manual Volumes 1 and 2 (KA)" for $150.00.

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  • nasgroupnasgroup Posts: 14
    Thanks. Exacvtly what I was looking for...
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,171
    I think I've purchased my last hard copy set. I didn't get $120 worth out of my last set (but I'm not much of a wrench turner either). Now I use my public library online more:

    Online Repair Manuals

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  • tornadogtornadog Posts: 49
    Wat could be the reason for rought bumpy ride on my month old 2010 honda pilot? It started after they started digging holes in our neighborhood roads, and I had to drive over badly filled ditches. Now even on smooth highways, I can feel the bumps, and can feel it on the accelerator pedals.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Check the air pressure of your tires. If they are all up to par then possible strut/shock leaking fluid and being defective.
  • tornadogtornadog Posts: 49
    the pressire is 32 in one tire and 31 in the rest. So I think the pressure is OK.
  • I purchased a new 2010 Honda Pilot Touring last month and have about 2500 miles on it, including one road trip of 1200 miles. Opened the hood (for the first time) and noticed a greasy, oily film with dirt and grit thinly layered in the engine compartment. Not notice this before so quickly in a newly owned car before, checked all of the dip sticks and caps and all are secure. Is this just normal road, travel oils or something mechanically wrong? Any comments appreciated...
  • nasgroupnasgroup Posts: 14
    Actually they are $150 for the 2010 Pilot manuals.
    I've just gotten in the habit of buying them for all my motorcycles and cars.
    I'd rather have 'em and not need 'em than not have 'em when I need 'em :)
    I do all my motorcycle(s) wrenching and most of my vehicles depending on how much time and complexity. We rotate replacing 2 vehicles every 4 years thus every 8 years. With car reliability these days the wrenching is mainly wear items like brakes and belts, but have had to change the odd starter.

    It gives me peace of mind when travelling knowing that I have 'em with me. Especially on the motorcycles. Just make sure you put together a useful tool kit with wrenches/sockets/wire/duct tape , etc
  • My mom told me I am getting her 2004 Honda Pilot when I get my license in a few weeks. The car has a few damages and I asked her if she could repair it and then give it to me. She said if I can find a quote on the price of the whole repair she would see what she could do. Here's what is wrong with the car:

    1. 4/6 speakers are blown out and do not work
    2. The car is very very dirty and is stained with coffee and cig ash
    3. Paint stains on the front bumper
    4. A decently deep scratch on the back right fender that took the paint right off
    5. The wheel alignment is off a little bit
    6. A few dents here and there

    What am I looking at as far as pricing?
  • ... sounds like a great 2st vehicle ;-)

    My thoughts are

    1. 4/6 speakers are blown out and do not work
    Replace them yourself. Real easy to do. Go to crutchfield.com and you can get a set of "Kicker 07DS600" speakers for $40. Cructchfield will give you a list of speakers that fit your new ride. They also have installation instructions. Best buy will install speakers purchased there for around $50.

    2. The car is very very dirty and is stained with coffee and cig ash
    Elbow grease, carpet and upholstery cleaner ill do wonders, plus some febreeze if it is really smokey.

    3. Paint stains on the front bumper
    plan a) Get a rag, spray some brake cleaner and rub the paint off ...
    plan b) Go to Walmart and get a tube of GS-27 and rub the paint off.

    4. A decently deep scratch on the back right fender that took the paint right off
    get a bottle of the factory touchup paint. Check your driver door jamb for the factory paint code.

    5. The wheel alignment is off a little bit
    2 or 4wd? Not more than $100

    6. A few dents here and there
    Leave 'em, it's just character and it is not a new vehicle. There are dent suction devices that could pull 'em out, but why bother...
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    Fan got noisy and vibrated a while back and it cost me $50 for the dealer to remove trash from the bird cage blower. Did fine for a month or so, but the noise has returned. Sounds like the fan is behind the glove box.

    Any instructions on how to remove the glove box and anything else involved, and get to the fan would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Kip
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