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Chrysler Crossfire

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  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    "Aren't there less expensive tires out there that perform just as well as the Michelin Pilot Sports? "

    - I have heard people getting +20K miles on them, but not usually. One of the reasons the Crossfire does so well on the skidpad is because of the sticky and soft compound of the Pilots.

    The Michelin Pilot Sport A&S has a MUCH higher wear rating (+30K miles) and have traction close to it.

    tires with virtually same handling characteristics that are cheaper:

    Bridgestone S03 Polepositions (may not be much cheaper)
    BFGoodrich KDWs
    Pirelli PZero Nero
    Goodyear Eagle F1-D3
    Continental ContactSport 2

    And even less:

    Yokohama EVS100
    Kumo
    Etc.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Just looked at the Tire Rack site, and the wear rating on the Michelins is 220. That is really pretty low, but I guess it's because they are so sticky on the dry road surface. I always try to find something with a 400 rating but that is not always possible depending on the wheel width, e.g., on 17" x 7" rims there is not much product available, so you sometimes have to take what's available.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The Pilot Sport A&S have a 400 rating and have virtually the same sized tires as the regular Pilot Sport. BTW, it also depends on the car. Have been able to get over 30K miles from a 180 wear rated tire set.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Kevin111--Right you are. I did not check the A/S just the regular ones. 400 is a pretty good rating for high performance tires like that. Depending on inflation,handling charateristicsof the car and driving styles, they should last a while. I had Michelin MXRV-4s [I think it was] on my wife's 96 Aurora and despite really excellent care and rotation, they were dead at 38K miles and the noise level in the cabin rose as the tread disappeared. I figured they would have gone 45-50K with careful treatment, but no way. I traded the car rather than put new tires on it along with an extended warranty as it came up on the end of the 4 year warranty period. I have BF Goodrich Comp TA's on my M now and they show no wear at all at 20K miles, so it is hard to predict I guess.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    One of my car rags, can't remember which one [I get 4] came yesterday and has a runoff between the Audi TT and the Crossfire. I didn't have time to read it yet, but I did see they gave the nod to the TT. I glanced at just a couple of categories like slalom and braking and the TT got rated better by the clowns doing the review, even though the Crossfire did better on the track in both categories. I am gonna read it closer tonight, but once again it looks like the rags seem to bend over for the Audi/BMW/VW boys. Could it be advertising dollars spent with the rags??
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    If it is the TT with 240 hp engine (v6?) and the new auto-manual tranny, I can see them leaning towards the TT. Has a 0-60 time about a 1 sec. faster than the Crossfire. Only problem is that I think that car costs $40K+.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    OK, it was R & T, and the TT was 225 hp 4 cylinder with turbo boost. In the standardized, objective ratings --braking, slolom, etc, the Crossfire won easily. But the subjective ratings by their staff members is where the Crossfire ended up on the short end. For example, altho the Crossfire hammered the TT on braking, it lost in the subjective ratings on that point. Same with stuff like "fun to drive" --give me a break, the TT got 20 and the Crossfire got 15? That is how it came up second. They essentially gloss over the big cost difference, the TT was at $40K. The only true shortcomings I saw were on the mpg, cabin room [their 6'2" tester said he had trouble], and storage space, but hey, the TT is a 4 banger with mini-back seats. I should think that after 5 years of delivery feedback the TT should have been better. The cabin did look a little better laid-out. My daughter has an 03 A4 and it does have a nice interior layout. IMHO, just another bogus comparison piece with a pre-determined outcome. I figure a true comparison of the SRT-6 model and the TT would have been kicked big time.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Car and Driver has constantly bashed its handling as "Boatish" and it reminds them of a German Thunderbird (current iteration, which they also blast as feeling like it floats.

    They did not say the same thing with regards to the SRT-4, so who is right?
  • It's getting quite tiresome reading these postings that are laden with negative comments regarding the Crossfire's horsepower, "off-the-line" acceleration, etc. Obviously, the only species that would not buy a car based on a 0-60 testing that came in ONE-TENTH of a second slower than other vehicles, are the males who are overly concerned with "performance". The Crossfire is a "hybrid" roadster with Mercedes parts that is not common in "muscle" cars. Albeit it is not a "true" Mercedes; however, IMO, those that will buy this car are accustomed to "high-end" purchases (ie. Mercedes, Volvo, BMW, etc.); they are not looking for speed but for quality. It's like comparing a Mercedes SLK230 to a Vette. The Crossfire is what it is -- a merger of Daimler/Chrysler - nothing more, nothing less.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Too many, imo, people posting at Edmunds think all cars should aggresively aim for a very small performance segment.

    The Crossfire is unique and does many things well. Other people have other needs. We should all be thankful there is a variety of options, whatever our desire.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The Crossfire is projected to be a Halo car for Chrysler.

    I would agree that the Crossfire is fine vehicle, and quite good looking. The issue that many people have with it is for a Halo car, the power and price combination seems to be very odd for trying to use this car as promotion for the "New-Upscale" Chrysler.

    With the Mercedes, whether you like it or not, it does have the brand cache and the dealership experience that makes people want to pay a premium.

    Chrysler is not at this level yet.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    but there is nothing wrong with wanting as much horsepower as possible.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    but there is nothing wrong with prefering other qualities as well.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    And there's nothing wrong with wanting both. "Upscale" usually means having your cake and eating it too.
  • doolsdools Posts: 11
    I test drove an automatic Crossfire a couple of weeks ago, so I thought I'd share my opinions. I have always been a big fan of the exterior styling, but I found the interior to be a bit lacking (my usual complaint for all American cars). The center console's plastic felt on the cheap side for what is supposed to be a luxury car, and forget about seeing the radio display if there is any sun. While I'm on the radio, the salesman had no idea how to operate it, so it probably has lots of cool features but I have no idea what they may be. Also would have like to have seen steering wheel controls like the RX-8 has. I'm not tall, so I fit in the car fine but had some trouble finding a comfy seat position. The trunk looked fine to me for a two-seater, and I think the luggage deal is a nice touch. Visibility was worse on the road than I had anticipated after sitting in the car in the showroom, but I guess that could improve if I had fiddled with the mirrors more. I thought the acceleration was fine, though I drive a 2.3 Z3 so 215 is more than I'm used to. I also liked the handling--not as nimble as the RX-8 or S2000 but it felt really stuck to the road.

    I decided not to buy it b/c of the sniffs I had about a beefier engine and a roadster coming out, but for styling and fun alone I don't think anyone can go wrong--I'm just way too picky about interiors and intrigued by the new models to dive in now. I have yet to see one on the road in San Diego, so those of you who did take the plunge are part of an exclusive group, which certainly ups the cool-factor in my book.

    Also, I cut to the chase with the dealer and told him I found one on Carmax for just over 32K. I didn't go the distance in the deal, but they pretty much told me they would match the offer. They've been calling me ever since so they must want to start moving these cars.
    Anyway, hope this info helps.
  • doolsdools Posts: 11
    Funny sidenote: The salesman told me that the automatic did not have a tiptronic option (or whatever they call it), so I didn't get to try that out--can't they give these guys a test or something before they send them out on the floor? Would have liked to drive the manual to see if the throw of the shifter is as long and unruly as I have heard, but did not have a chance.
  • That was a nice, balanced summary of your test drive. Some thoughts, I've owned my black six speed for about 5 months (little over 2K on the clock).

    If you're not tall, as you said, a little fiddling with the mirrors, as you said AND the 8 way adjustable seat should easily get you a comfortable driving position, and eliminate most, if not all of your blind spot concerns. There are some blind spots, but they just require a little more attention when changing lanes. Some folks want no such compromise, and that's ok...but I have yet to see ANY highly stylized or sporting car that does not have such flaws. I guy I know who owns both a Lambo Diablo and a Countach HATES driving either/both...the blind spots on those cars are huge and apparently cannot be mitigated with the mirrors or driving position.

    Re the nimbleness vs the S2000 or RX8. I agree that it doesn't FEEL nimble, but the numbers say otherwise. When you look at the R & T tests (October and this month against the Audi TT), with R & T the main mag that does slalom, the Xfire posts faster slaloms than the RX8, Audi, 350Z, etc., sometimes significantly faster. The slalom requires a certain nimbleness.

    A guy in Va. Beach is autocrossing his, and apparently he holds his own against Boxsters, BMWs, 350Z's et al. That said, he is a driver with some experience and background. Your results may vary.

    When you read the Audi/Xfire comparo in R & T, the Chrysler obliterates the Audi in almost all objective performance categories: lateral grip, slalom (annihalates it), braking, 0-80, 0-100 accelaration. It's a dead heat in 0-60, and the .1 nod to the Audi in the quarter is within a driver standard deviation.

    R & T gives the overall nod to the Audi, though, strictly on subjective feel. They readily admit the Xfire kicks the Audi's rear in terms of measured performance, but they say the Audi FEELS like it performs better, even though it does not.

    The gearbox is it's biggest performance drawback. The throw of the box isn't the problem, it's ok. The problem is that the shifter feels like you're trying to move a hammer around in a bowl of rocks. I would guarantee that the impresise shifter, in all these 0-60 magazine tests that clock the 6 speed in the 6.4 to 6.7 range, can attribute .2 seconds to that shifter.

    Radio...cars being shipped now have the improved display...no longer a problem on new cars. Supposedly, a TSB is coming out, and current owners will be offered a free retrofit of the improved radio. Still the Infiniti, but with better display.

    Finally, price. A dealer here in Baltimore, the last two Sundays, advertises in the color section new 6 speeds for $29,995. THAT's a BARGAIN.

    I like the car, will live with it for another year when I sell it to make room for the Lotus Elise I have on order.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    hey it is easy to tell that the car has autostick just by looking at the auto shifter :)

    The dealer is dumb.

    Re: dash - it is pretty much the same as MB SLK's dash.
  • Has anyone gotten a good 39-month, 12K Sign & Drive deal on a Crossfire in South Florida?

    I'm looking and the only 'deal' is $399 + tax. Also, should I lease this year, or wait until next year hoping prices will drop because they are not selling?
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    This place,like the 300M board, has really slowed up. Must be the season. Hope all have a great holiday season and come back for a great new year.
  • I live South Florida and was looking for a new car for my wife. We tried the Crossfire, 350Z and Mercedes C230 Sports Coupe.

    In the end we bought the 6 speed Crossfire, people say it's slow. A 0-100mph in 16.1 seconds is good enough for me.

    We got a 39 month lease for $315pm on 12K a year.
  • customcar:That's a better deal than what Chryco is offering ($399 mo, 39 months with $2800 down)so what was the capital cost from your dealer and did you plow any money into the deal?

    Carmax in Orlando is selling six speeds for a tad over 28K. that would translate into a good lease deal IF they'd do it.

    Congrats on your new ride ! Keep us tire kickers informed about how it stacks up to your Benz.

    Regards HUD :):)
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  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    something is now right about that

    Did you mean 1/4 mile in 16 seconds?

    hey 12K miles per year in South Florida is not that much.
  • Full page ad in the Orlando paper this morning from Chryco. Beating the drums on the latest cash back on most of their cars. "up to $3500 cash back" plus additional $500 bonus money too. The Xfire was listed as one of the cars. No specific amounts on which vehicles but "see your dealer for details". Surely they are not gonna put a big rebate on the Xfire already. Or are they. At the same time on the next page they are still offering $399 per month, 39 months with $1999 down on a lease from Cryco. All this does not bode well for resale value. I bet by this time next year you'll be able to pick up a used one for under $20K. They are going thru auction for about 25K right now.

    HUD :):)
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Very good looking car. After seeing them in real life, look much more impressive than at the autoshow (usually it is the reverse!). At $30K, it then becomes much more reasonable for the performance you get along with the looks. $35K just seemed too high.

    - One other thing about performance - reason for the slow numbers could be the wheels. They are huge, and have to weigh a considerable amount. This significantly hurts acceleration numbers, which is why it is slower than the SLK320.
  • To Customcar:

    How much did you put down? Which dealer did you get this lease at in Florida?
  • re the SLK being faster than the Xfire. Where did you read that? All the reviews of the Xfire have it 0 to 60 in the 6.4 to 6.7 range, depending on the article. Dug up some reviews of 2002 SLK 320 and they all have it in exactly the same range, with more around 6.6.

    Overall, the Xfire is a tad lighter, about 30 lbs than the SLK. Granted, if the wheels of the Xfire are heavier that does make it work harder, they being unsprung weight.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Consumer Reports timed it at 7.2 secs from 0 - 60.

    In the same issue, timed the RX8 at 6.7secs (about the same as Edmunds)

    And the 350Z at 5.4 secs.

    For some reason, I thought CR timed the SLK320 under 7 seconds.
  • I saw the 7.2 from consumer report...that's the first I've seen that had the Crossfire above 6.7 0-60. I haven't read Edmunds, but I've read Car and Driver, Automobile, Road and Track, Motor Trend and others that I go to for the bottom line on performance before I would check Consumer Reports. The enthusiast magazines have pretty much had the Crossfire consistently in the 6.4 to 6.7 range.

    CR is good a certain type of testing, not performance testing.
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